Quote Originally Posted by Ice Berg Kamping View Post
Mate - you perhaps misunderstand my point. I think that we have had, and still have a good group of players. But nothing has ignited the blue touch paper and really got them believing in themselves, believing in the club. There is a general negativity around the place that is visibly affecting our players. The main reason, IMO? its that nothing really exciting has happened for so long. A stadium project is exciting momentarily, but what football fans and players need a vibe to generate a sense of progress.

For years now, every time a Wenger project player has come through, he has left shortly afterwards. There has been a constant drain, that this Summer became too much to contend with.

Going in for Mata would have shown that we are still a big club that expects to win things - to counteract the Cesc and Nasri effect. The fact that we were pussies, and then caught with our pants down so late in the Summer is the main reason we are so bereft of confidence now.

Second, the reason I agree with Letters that the manager has lost the players is that this Summer saw him fail, almost embarrasingly, at what he is famous for being best at. I think they no longer trust him to win anything. A Mata type signing would have helped here.
I see, surely the fact we did go for Mata and the greedy little bastard chose Chelsea instead sums modern footie up really. The problem we now have with buying players is that the second we show an interest in anyone the big money clubs come in and take over, Jones, Smalling, Mata all show that. Add into that Citeh waving the Benjamin's in the faces of players at other teams, heads get turned.

The other problem of course is the agents. We have an offer agreed for Mata and the first thing his agent does is ring the big money clubs and tell them so they can counter offer. Its a nightmare.

Bout 5 years ago the real Madrid president said that their scouting policy was to find out who Arsenal were after and get them first, I think Citeh, Chelsea and Manyoo all do that nowadays so its get harder and in turn we have to buy players that are of a lower level or even younger and less developed because we have no choice. Imagine how hard it mus be for teams like Wigan to get players in??

But anyway none of that is relevant to making the best of what we have, which Wenger doesn't do and that's why i want him out, i agree to a point he has lost the players. I don't think in a mutiny type way but i think they have lost belief in his ability the same way the fans have.

Time to go and get the Moyes in for me.