I don't think there is a manager who would make a difference really. Just let Southgate get on with it.Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
The problem is not who's in charge, it's the fact that no one enjoys playing for the national team. Until that mentality changes we will always be useless.
No the problem is the players just aren't as good as the media hypes them up to be
And I don't see how someone was a total incompetent at club level, has all the personality of a cup of milky tea should be left to get on with it.
Rooney likes Southgate because he wants someone who will keep him as captain but won't push him to up his performances at all, the players want a man who will give them an easy ride.....fuck what they want.
To be honest I don't think the media hype them up that much anymore really, we have some ok players but nowhere near the standard of the leading nations. Rooney has his apologists because he's Rooney but the others have all faced questions.
Woy gave them an easy ride and they were shit. Capello was stern with them and they were shit. Managing England is like trying to get blood from a stone.
They just don't care for the national team in the same way as they do for their clubs but they're all afraid to admit it. Only Scholes had the balls to say it when he retired early. Ledley King said the same recently as well, he said it was like meeting up with strangers and felt more comfortable with his club mates.
Last edited by Marc Overmars; 16-11-2016 at 07:57 AM.
I don't think it matters who is in charge either. Sven was the last most successful manager, at least we got the the quarter finals.The last three full England managers hadn't achieved anything much in the game, we have to face facts, our players are not world class and they don't play for their countries the way that Wales, Ireland and N. Ireland play, with passion and pride.
None of this convinces me we should have a total limp wristed failure in charge of England
Capello was a failure because he couldn't be bothered to learn English and was in the job for the pay cheque
Even though Allardyce was crooked, he was still set up by the media and this was a guy who loved the idea of the job just enough to pass that onto the players, he wouldn't have been a soft touch but he's also good at forging team bonding which is hard in a day where footballers care more about selfies, cars, spit roasting underage girls and having more money than even they can spunk up the wall.
I think it was a major blunder sacking Allardyce, but the FA did it because he wasn't one of them.
Game's all about money, merchandising, image rights and every other kind of bullshit. But there's still just enough time for a little bit of football and that's what the England team does, it plays a little bit of football. Just a smidgeon. That's all that's required to keep the bandwagon rolling. Turning out in the shirt adds how much to the contract back at the club? Lands you how many commercial deals? Same will apply for Southgate, all those paydays coming up as the master opinion on the halftime hype shows. The book deal, How England Almost Killed Me... Glorious Failure... She Swore She Was Eighteen...
On the other side of the coin there's the identity issue. It's a crime to be nationalistic and a lot of the players hit the unholy trifecta, English, White, Male. Where's the pride in that new confusion? As fans we are still allowed, and even encouraged, to belt out God Save the Queen, so there's that I suppose. This could all be solved if only the FA has the guts to allow immigrant, black, lesbians into this last male reserve. Okay, so I exaggerate (slightly) but just how much pride is still involved in pulling on the shirt, measured in nano units?
So the football is awful, the cultural identity destroyed, the hype created ridiculous expectations and the whole stupid point of it has become money. I wonder why what used to be an escape from the humdrum has suddenly become a predictable part of it? It's a mystery.
This is what Southgate walks into hoping somehow to turn it around, like the last English guy or the non-English guy before him. And all the rest. He's as good as anyone else who'd be dumb enough to take the job and I don't envy him. That's why Wenger would never take it. The old brain cells would kick in and forbid it.
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I was going to lump that in with the pride and passion thing. It applies to all of us English though. When we are out on the streets celebrating a victory, we're classed as arrogant and you'd think we'd won the world cup. When other teams be it Wales or some African team take to the streets to celebrate then everyone goes 'aw, isn't it nice to see them celebrate.'
Nationalism and Patriotism has been made nascent by the wrong type of people - the sneering effetes who have long decided to be offended on the behalf of others and those on the other side who look upon it as a test of purity.
I don't think any country has ever been so self-conscious over National Pride as the English, i think it's as much the English mentality of over politeness that contributes as much as white guilt.
I personally don't give it too much time because it's completely arbitrary, English/British influence both good and bad has left permanent effects around the globe and we have left a sizeable footprint for such a small island nation, but being born here doesn't give me any claim to any of it.....but on the other hand I'm not ashamed of it either.
That and frankly I don't think our players are that good We're a mid-table side at best.
No the players aren't any good, no it might not make a difference but the English National side should always have ambition if nothing else. Having Southgate as manager is the equivalent of waving the white flag.
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