Season's Progress

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I guess that's about right but as I've said a few times I don't think anyone would be whining if a new manager came in and we got the results we've had so far.

And as NQ rightly said, it's the performances that are as predictably turgid that are as much the problem. Football is a results game but you seem to forget it's about entertainment.

If we played just as badly under a new manager you might think well hopefully we might improve with Wenger you know it's par for the course.

[Niall_Quinn]

Well, the results are good enough so far. We're in touch at the top, right now that's all you can ask.
Performances have been patchy and that worries me, but it's a results game isn't it?

So many fans have lowered their expectations to match the club's. If all we can ask from Arsenal football club is to be hanging on the tails of, let's face it, much weaker opponents than the Utds and Chavskis we used to be up against then it's a sad indictment. I don't see anything spectacular about the chavs or the gypos or Pool. What I see is us failing to capitalise on a pretty weak league again. We couldn't catch Leicester last year - how Wenger survived that is a fucking mystery - and I'd still back us to fail if we were 10 points ahead this year. Because the second best, it'll do, you can't expect more, we're doing okay attitude has rotted the club to the core.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

So many fans have lowered their expectations to match the club's. If all we can ask from Arsenal football club is to be hanging on the tails of, let's face it, much weaker opponents than the Utds and Chavskis we used to be up against then it's a sad indictment. I don't see anything spectacular about the chavs or the gypos or Pool. What I see is us failing to capitalise on a pretty weak league again. We couldn't catch Leicester last year - how Wenger survived that is a fucking mystery - and I'd still back us to fail if we were 10 points ahead this year. Because the second best, it'll do, you can't expect more, we're doing okay attitude has rotted the club to the core.

It's the risk adverse mentality that permeates much of football, 1st is great but do we really want to push to get it when 2nd,3rd, 4th is good. Wenger embodies the risk adverse mentality because he's naturally slow to change and is extremely conservative. It's great if you love consistency, not so great if your a fan paying the highest ticket prices on the European continent and your team used to be synonymous with great football and winning things.

[Niall_Quinn]

The sites dead. Whose whining? We've managed to squeeze 8 pages out of the cup loss thread. People are switching off from Arsenal. It's deja vu.

Spot on. You can only watch the same thing so many times before cynicism becomes the norm. And in fairness, our cynicism is mild compared to the fuckers in charge of this club.

[Letters]

It is an entertainment but some people always focus on the negative. Good results and poor performances and the whining is about how poor we're playing.
If we play well and don't get results then the same people say "it's a results business"

So far this season has been fine, we've lost once since the opening day, we're in touch in the league. The performances have been patchy at best but I think we have the players to challenge, I'm not sure we have the mentality to.

[Niall_Quinn]

It's the risk adverse mentality that permeates much of football, 1st is great but do we really want to push to get it when 2nd,3rd, 4th is good. Wenger embodies the risk adverse mentality because he's naturally slow to change and is extremely conservative. It's great if you love consistency, not so great if your a fan paying the highest ticket prices on the European continent and your team used to be synonymous with great football and winning things.

That damn cup final in 2005. I wish we'd been hammered 4-0 in that landmark, end of an era embarrassment. Following on from that it took a while for things to get to the point where it became obvious the previous heights were never coming back. But there was still some hope. Now we just hope for 2-3 good performances a season. That's our lot. And at the same time the rewards for delivering up this third rate shit have grown exponentially. It's the corporate hallmark. Let them in and watch it all go to hell and pay through the nose while you get there.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

It is an entertainment but some people always focus on the negative. Good results and poor performances and the whining is about how poor we're playing.
If we play well and don't get results then the same people say "it's a results business"

So far this season has been fine, we've lost once since the opening day, we're in touch in the league. The performances have been patchy at best but I think we have the players to challenge, I'm not sure we have the mentality to.

If you are consistently playing well and consistently not getting results, than there is only one thing to take from that....you aren't consistently playing well.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Spot on. You can only watch the same thing so many times before cynicism becomes the norm. And in fairness, our cynicism is mild compared to the fuckers in charge of this club.

I tend to post more on the Non Football posts, just to alleviate work boredom. There is just so little to discuss about Arsenal after so many years of the same gruel.

[Niall_Quinn]

It is an entertainment but some people always focus on the negative. Good results and poor performances and the whining is about how poor we're playing.
If we play well and don't get results then the same people say "it's a results business"

So far this season has been fine, we've lost once since the opening day, we're in touch in the league. The performances have been patchy at best but I think we have the players to challenge, I'm not sure we have the mentality to.

So you've decided what people say, even when they don't say it? Well, I guess you'll always be right then.

[Letters]

If you are consistently playing well and consistently not getting results, than there is only one thing to take from that....you aren't consistently playing well.

So if you're consistently getting good results does that mean you are consistently playing well?