Ozil - Do we need him?

[GP]

Depends really.

RVP only gets hate because of how he left and where he went.

[Niall_Quinn]

Alexis would not be having the season he is currently showing with Ozil's movement. Its undeniable at this point.

And vice versa. These two have struck up a really good understanding this season. Losing one could be like losing both. I hope the fat, old blood suckers upstairs get their wallets out. Either this club is finally going somewhere or we're commencing on reset #99.

[Power n Glory]

I think PSG is the likely move if he does indeed want to call it quits.

What kind of reaction would he garner if he did leave? I know our fanbase isn't as sold on him as they are with Alexis.

RVC level hate?

PSG? I can't see it. Spain or Germany if he were to leave.

[mastermind84]

And vice versa. These two have struck up a really good understanding this season. Losing one could be like losing both. I hope the fat, old blood suckers upstairs get their wallets out. Either this club is finally going somewhere or we're commencing on reset #99.

i agree.

They are basically our strike partnership.

[Marc Overmars]

He could go back to Germany or Spain and become another cog in the never ending wheel of success, but you often hear players talking about "the project" of a club like PSG, it could be more enticing for them to do something new. Especially for someone like Ozil who has already played for the biggest club in the world.

No doubt he will have his pick of the clubs though.

[Power n Glory]

He could go back to Germany or Spain and become another cog in the never ending wheel of success, but you often hear players talking about "the project" of a club like PSG, it could be more enticing for them to do something new. Especially for someone like Ozil who has already played for the biggest club in the world.

No doubt he will have his pick of the clubs though.

I hear that point but I don't think Ozil is at that stage of his career. If anything, we've kind of been his project club. It's the perfect time for him now at Arsenal to step out from the shadows of those at Real and not just be a cog in the wheel. But I'm not sure if he's that driven for the recognition in the same way Sanchez is. I can see him going back to Real. It's not as if he wanted to leave that system either.

[Kano]

I think PSG is the likely move if he does indeed want to call it quits.

What kind of reaction would he garner if he did leave? I know our fanbase isn't as sold on him as they are with Alexis.

RVC level hate?

Probably not because the fingers will be pointed at Wenger and the board for either failure to win things or pay him enough. Plus players like RVC and Cesc were seen as 'part of the fold' young players developed from young with hopes they'd see out their career here (however unrealistic that was). If he left and had to face us again I think he'd get a decent or just indifferent reaction.

[Niall_Quinn]

Let's just win the bloody CL and put all this talk to rest. I mean FFS Wenger! Come on man! 20 years trying, isn't it about time? Stranger things have happened. Just pick the right fucking teams, have a go at analysing the opposition and come up with a few tactics, stop doing the 10 player rotation thing, settle on your first 11 and add some sanity to your squad rotation policies. Then hold a press conference and state you are going to win the fucking thing, no doubts, it's already in the bag. Just like you did when you said we'd go the season unbeaten. Everyone will laugh, so what. Make the fucking players believe it. Pick your go-to guys, Alexis, Ozil, Cech, Kos, Theo, Ramsey. Make them feel like leaders at the club. Enough of this stupid shit about captains not being important - THEY ARE! Convince these players we're doing something this year and then let them drag along the rest. Cut it out with the stupid technical perfection and beauty bullshit. Flamini was not a beautiful specimen of technical perfection when he held down the full back slot all the way to an unlucky loss to Barca last time we made it to a final.

You just don't have the time left to be fucking around any more. Show the players you aren't fucking around and they will stay and play for you. And the fans will get behind you. And we'll fucking achieve something.

WAKE UP!

[Power n Glory]

This is the same game we've been playing for a number of years now when it comes to contracts. I don't blame RVP or Cesc for wanting to leave Arsenal. If they'd have stayed they'd still probably be waiting for Prem titles. Henry went through the same, Pires, Vieira...all fought the same battle with Wenger and this structure. We're too slow to adapt to change and it shows in our transfer policy.

I only have a problem with RVP acting like we never existed and that 'little boy' of his crying for Utd. But I'll always remember the build up before he was leaving with all the press stories from the club preparing the fans for the worse. Wenger saying we wouldn't break. Our wage structure for an aging player because we won't get the full value from his contract. Some bullshit equation he chalked up about players getting maximum money when their performances start to decline due to age. With that line of thinking, you can only imagine what's going through his ahead with these negotiations for Ozil and Sanchez. We were also leaking stories suggesting we couldn't match the wages of a club man city because of they had infinite resources... Etc. All true. But we were peddling these bullshit stories before RVP said he wanted to leave, during the season he was banging in goals and before a number was even put on the table. No news of RVP rejecting a contract even came out. The funny thing is, after we sold him to Utd, Wenger comes out and says we were trying to attract PSG to table a bid. See how that works?

Hence why we should watching these stories with Ozil with close intent. I wouldn't blame Ozil at all. We've seen this play out enough times already.

[Niall_Quinn]

This is the same game we've been playing for a number of years now when it comes to contracts. I don't blame RVP or Cesc for wanting to leave Arsenal. If they'd have stayed they'd still probably be waiting for Prem titles. Henry went through the same, Pires, Vieira...all fought the same battle with Wenger and this structure. We're too slow to adapt to change and it shows in our transfer policy.

I only have a problem with RVP acting like we never existed and that 'little boy' of his crying for Utd. But I'll always remember the build up before he was leaving with all the press stories from the club preparing the fans for the worse. Wenger saying we wouldn't break. Our wage structure for an aging player because we won't get the full value from his contract. Some bullshit equation he chalked up about players getting maximum money when their performances start to decline due to age. With that line of thinking, you can only imagine what's going through his ahead with these negotiations for Ozil and Sanchez. We were also leaking stories suggesting we couldn't match the wages of a club man city because of they had infinite resources... Etc. All true. But we were peddling these bullshit stories before RVP said he wanted to leave, during the season he was banging in goals and before a number was even put on the table. No news of RVP rejecting a contract even came out. The funny thing is, after we sold him to Utd, Wenger comes out and says we were trying to attract PSG to table a bid. See how that works?

Hence why we should watching these stories with Ozil with close intent. I wouldn't blame Ozil at all. We've seen this play out enough times already.

Agreed that this is getting very tired. Either we're a football club or a trust find for the directors. We can't be both. Every penny should be poured back into the future success of the club. Do that and eventually there will be too many pennies and the leeches can feed. But this bullshit about profit today at the expense of all else is why we don't want these fuckers at the club. So it's time for them to choose. And if they make the wrong choice, the non-sporting choice, then fuck them and they deserve the massive backlash that will come if we see Ozil and Alexis walking out the door. You can't be a big club if you can't hold on to your players. They surely realise this? I understand they don't want to be held to ransom and this is why it's about more than the money. This board and this manager need to start earning their keep. They need to put up enough money, maybe not as much as the gypos would stump, and they also need to show the players why it's worth staying at the place. Not more bullshit about jam tomorrow, but cold hard facts on what we are doing today and how each players and (god forbid) each fan plays a part in that. They are so aloof these fuckers. So complacent. So confident that this gravy train will run forever. Well there are ex-die-hards right here on this site that couldn't give much of a shit anymore and that's contagious.