Ozil - Do we need him?

[selassie]

There are a million ways to skin a cat when it comes to the finance packages being put together. Ambition is there but it's whether or not Wenger's management of the squad can get them over the line. The likelihood is that it won't be and they'll be off. But they won't leave at the same time, there's no way that is going to happen.

Kano, It's out of the clubs control...if they refuse to sign then they'll both be put on the market next summer and will be sold as and when the offers come in, it could well be at the same time.

We won't allow either player to walk for free, we have invested too much money in them.

I personally think the damage has already been done...we have failed to show real sporting ambition since either of them have been here...

[Niall_Quinn]

Let's do this. If Ozil and Alexis stay and we add another player of that calibre in the summer then Wenger and Gazidis stay. If not, both follow our players out the door. Do you think Ozil and Alexis would be signed by now if those were the terms? People might ask, why should the top executives leave because players leave. At any other club that is selling itself as an elite footballing outfit it would be a valid question, but not at Arsenal. We've been through this how many times now? Are we really going to be sitting here in 3 years time with the same people at the top, having watched our best players piss off again, and waiting on Player X (signed from Club Y for just a bit less than other clubs might pay) to propel us to a title? Somebody has to pay the price if we are forced to go around that loop again. Another false dawn for the club should mean sunset for the guys who have had every opportunity to prove they can push this club forward. The fans need to avoid hanging on Ozil and Alexis' every last word (and it probably isn't even their words) and instead make it clear to the club that this summer is a referendum on the future of Wenger and Co. Of course they'll probably try and sneak a contract in for Wenger during the season. I hope it's a riot every week if they retain this guy yet fail to retain staff we actually need.

[Niall_Quinn]

Arsene Wenger is adamant Alexis Sanchez and Mesut Ozil will see out their contracts at Arsenal rather than be sold.

The two star men in Wenger's side are in the final 18 months of their deals and the club will have to smash its existing wage structure to tie them to extended deals.

With Sanchez understood to be on £130,000 a week and Ozil the top earner on £140,000, it is reported that they want new terms that would at least double their money.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...toke-City.html

Highly unlikely the club will sit there and watch the transfer fees collapse to zero.

[Power n Glory]

It's the old song and dance to try and jack up the transfer offers. We have to make it look like we're committed to keeping them.

I might losing sight of the real objective here. Forget Sanchez and Ozil...Wenger has to go. Even they decide to sign new contracts, if we still have Wenger as coach we're still in trouble.

[Goonermerree]

We need to keep them and add another 2 quality players. It will cost some money though...

[Kano]

Kano, It's out of the clubs control...if they refuse to sign then they'll both be put on the market next summer and will be sold as and when the offers come in, it could well be at the same time.

We won't allow either player to walk for free, we have invested too much money in them.

I personally think the damage has already been done...we have failed to show real sporting ambition since either of them have been here...

I think the opposite. They'll sell one and if needs be let the other one piddle off for free. I can't ever remember seeing two of our main guys leave at the same time - except maybe Overmars and Petit but that was in another lifetime it seems. And if they do leave at the same time or one before and the other after, so be it. The club isn't going to fold and shut it gates. Even if they extend their contracts at some point they are going to leave, so the club will have to adapt at some point anyway. Hopefully later rather than sooner but it is what it is. Far more important things to rage about than this. I'm certainly not going to let the media hold my concerns to hostage. That's the easy trap to fall into in and outside of sport.

[Power n Glory]

I think the opposite. They'll sell one and if needs be let the other one piddle off for free. I can't ever remember seeing two of our main guys leave at the same time - except maybe Overmars and Petit but that was in another lifetime it seems. And if they do leave at the same time or one before and the other after, so be it. The club isn't going to fold and shut it gates. Even if they extend their contracts at some point they are going to leave, so the club will have to adapt at some point anyway. Hopefully later rather than sooner but it is what it is. Far more important things to rage about than this. I'm certainly not going to let the media hold my concerns to hostage. That's the easy trap to fall into in and outside of sport.

You're forgetting the following.

Van Persie and Song.
Cesc, Nasri and Clichy.
Ade and Toure.

Nowhere near as good as Alexis and Ozil but these were first team starters.

[Marc Overmars]

Highly unlikely the club will sit there and watch the transfer fees collapse to zero.

They're worth what, 100m for the pair? Of course they'll be sold if the right offer comes in and they don't want to sign. It would just be dumb to let them swan off on a free.

[Goonermerree]

You're forgetting the following.

Van Persie and Song.
Cesc, Nasri and Clichy.
Ade and Toure.http://www.goonersweb.co.uk/forum/sh...t=3777&page=24

Nowhere near as good as Alexis and Ozil but these were first team starters.

I thought about those players as well. I thought that was because of the stadium debt at the time for the earlier ones. We will just look like a selling club again if they leave.

[Power n Glory]

I thought about those players as well. I thought that was because of the stadium debt at the time for the earlier ones. We will just look like a selling club again if they leave.

If we can't rape a club for £150m to £200m for the pair then it will really make us look weak.