Match Thread Arsenal v West Brom 26/12/16 1-0 home win

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

An argument to be made? Again, what are you reading in my post that suggests otherwise?

"When players aren't fighting to win the ball back, contest the headers, not tracking back, not marking or closing down quick enough, getting beat on the near post, you have to take a look at the player first and ask questions. Is it tiredness, a lapse in concentration, bad form, etc. We've seen how a players perfomance can fall off a cliff during a match. There isn't much Wenger can do about that"

I took from this that the players and only the players were responsible for this, if that's not the case than fair enough. But responding like a little girl whose had the hair on her favourite my little pony shaved off doesn't help you much either.

[Power n Glory]

"When players aren't fighting to win the ball back, contest the headers, not tracking back, not marking or closing down quick enough, getting beat on the near post, you have to take a look at the player first and ask questions. Is it tiredness, a lapse in concentration, bad form, etc. We've seen how a players perfomance can fall off a cliff during a match. There isn't much Wenger can do about that"

I took from this that the players and only the players were responsible for this, if that's not the case than fair enough. But responding like a little girl whose had the hair on her favourite my little pony shaved off doesn't help you much either.

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When players aren't fighting to win the ball back, contest the headers, not tracking back, not marking or closing down quick enough, getting beat on the near post, you have to take a look at the player first and ask questions. Is it tiredness, a lapse in concentration, bad form, etc. We've seen how a players perfomance can fall off a cliff during a match. There isn't much Wenger can do about that. But what he can do is make a sub if particular players are struggling or tired, bench them for a game or two if their form is off or have a serious word with them in training and getting them working on their weak areas. Studying videos of where they go wrong and what they should have done. But he does nothing and that's why he has to go. Nothing during the game or after.

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The manager gets so much wrong in all areas of our game, it goes beyond him being a poor tactician. He flat out makes bad decisions. You have to wonder what the camp is like off the pitch. Are other key players allowed to not train that often because we're worried about injuries and fitness? How does that effect the relationship between the players if they all don't have to train hard? Surely that has to disrupt the harmony and team spirit he often talks of and tries to build open? It's got to be more disruptive than unequal wages, right? But this all comes down to poor management. When we see so much confusion when it comes to how we press team, the above may explain it. It explains why the old man isn't up off his seat and demanding players work harder.

It would help if you could read the whole post before responding otherwise don't bother. You're not an idiot and I can only assume it's a slow day at work and you're on the WUM.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

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It would help if you could read the whole post before responding otherwise don't bother. You're not an idiot and I can only assume it's a slow day at work and you're on the WUM.

The last post was a windup for sure but that's only because you were getting on your high horse again

Wenger has been a manager for over thirty years, he should be adept at identifying fatigue and other things in his players without even needing to be wise after the event with studying videos etc

So it's more than that he has done nothing to remedy it, he is responsible for it happening in the first place (as much as the players are)

[Power n Glory]

You're being contrary for the sake of it and it's a huge waste of time going any further unless you grow up.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

You're being contrary for the sake of it and it's a huge waste of time going any further unless you grow up.

No i genuinely took your argument to suggest that players first and foremost take responsibility for their performances, and you've stated that wasn't the case

Now you can tell me i've misinterpreted your argument which obviously appears to be the case, but the rest of the histrionics are unnecessary. It seems a bit daft to ask me where in what you'd written i'd extrapolated the view i assumed you to be taking and then accuse me of being contrary when i point out where i took it from.

You can say i was wrong to interpret it like that, but it seems a bit odd for you to try and assume my motivations. Very odd in fact