Are the glory days over for good?

[fakeyank]

The buck stops with the manager at every football club in the world.

- Whose work is it to motivate the players?
- Who should make sure we have experienced players in the squad?
- Who gets paid multi-million dollars to do the above?

Answer? Arsene Wenger. Like I mentioned in one of my previous posts, I do not absolve the board of any wrong doing... its just that I (or many of the BH's) do not know what they have done. I know that for me AFC is a football club and I will look to the manager when I have to point a finger and that to me is Arsene Wenger and he needs to go. If sacking him does not solve the problem, then we can go deeper into 'conspiracy theories'.

[Flavs]

- Whose work is it to motivate the players?

- Wenger and the Players

- Who should make sure we have experienced players in the squad?

- Wenger and the Board

- Who gets paid multi-million dollars to do the above?

- The players, Wenger and the board.

[Power n Glory]

I said those things were mostly Wenger's fault



I know. Again, Wenger's fault. But you're again dismissing how hard it is to keep a club in the top 4, especially in the era of billionaire owners.

Wenger's made mistakes, some of which he should have been sacked for. But to dismiss the last 5 years as a COMPLETE failure and say that any idiot could have kept us top 4 is idiotic. And, again, if you think it's just Wenger being stubborn and refusing to spend money then the board should have been harder with him and insisted he invest more. They're his boss, you can't completely absolve them from responsibility.

I just don’t agree with this top 4 accolade you keep repeating. We were a Championship winning club with great players like Henry, Pires, Vieria, Sol, Bergkamp, Cole…etc. Going a few seasons without spending on major players wouldn’t mean we automatically drop out of the top four. It has been a slow and steady decline. If Man U or Chelsea decided to stop spending major money, they wouldn’t automatically drop out of the top four. You need lower to teams to actually overtake them and unless teams like Villa, Spurs, Everton get Man City type investors, that won’t happen.

[Cripps_orig]

AH?

[Flavs]

AH?

Arsene Haters

[Letters]

I just don’t agree with this top 4 accolade you keep repeating. We were a Championship winning club with great players like Henry, Pires, Vieria, Sol, Bergkamp, Cole…etc. Going a few seasons without spending on major players wouldn’t mean we automatically drop out of the top four. It has been a slow and steady decline

No, it hasn't. It was actually a very rapid decline from the invincibles of 2004 to 2006 when we just barely scraped top 4 on the last day. Then we improved again to the point where at least once we were genuine title contenders again. Since then we've declined again.

I do take the point that from where we were even by standing still we could have stayed top 4 for a bit but the turnover of players has been such that added to the pressure of other teams spending big to displace us I think Wenger has done well to keep us in the top 4 till now. He's done badly in other areas but it's not an achievement which should be dismissed IMO.

[Power n Glory]

No, it hasn't. It was actually a very rapid decline from the invincibles of 2004 to 2006 when we just barely scraped top 4 on the last day. Then we improved again to the point where at least once we were genuine title contenders again. Since then we've declined again.

I do take the point that from where we were even by standing still we could have stayed top 4 for a bit but the turnover of players has been such that added to the pressure of other teams spending big to displace us I think Wenger has done well to keep us in the top 4 till now. He's done badly in other areas but it's not an achievement which should be dismissed IMO.

That’s a good point and that doesn’t reflect well on Wenger. Such a rapid decline when we had players like Cole, Sol, Lehman, Toure, Reyes, Pires, Cesc, Henry shouldn’t happen. Chelsea have swapped managers many times and had dressing room fallouts but have still managed to keep their top four status. Man U lost Tevez and Ronaldo and had injury problems with their defenders, but didn’t come close to dropping out of the top four.

That’s not right. We can talk about the era of Billionaire owners but at that point it was only Chelsea that had crazy money to spend. Our team was still better than the majority and we had more internationals in our squad than most. Keeping us in the top four with that squad is nothing to clap about.

[Xhaka Can’t]

FY, I don't know what kind of organisation you work for, buy the buck stops with the Board. Everywhere. If they have an incompetent Manager and they do nothing about it, the blame lies with them.

The buck stops where ultimate accountability lies. There isn't a Club or organisation in the world where ultimate accountability lies at the position Wenger occupies in the Club hierarchy.

How you repeatedly fail to understand this most elementary concept is baffling.

[Flavs]

How you repeatedly fail to understand this most elementary concept is baffling.

You know he is American right?

[Power n Glory]

He's talking about results on the pitch and the way the team play. That's Wenger's department.

But, people are quick to blame the Board and always have been. More so before they look at Wenger.