Ozil - Do we need him?

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I mean it was a landmark moment where we officially crossed from being a football club to being a for profit corporation and started operating as such. Sustainability, property deals, whoring out the team across the globe and then moaning about players being tired. The club became geared to money when we rented it out to the arabs and the football became secondary - not irrelevant, but secondary. Sponsors don't pour their money in because they are charitable. They want the name of the club and the time of the staff and players. It's all a bit seedy really, but the champagne and decked out jets disguise it.

They also want clubs that win things, so they can festoon that allover their corporate merchandise

Emirates for example would love to shove on their British aircrafts - sponsors of the English Premier league champions

Like they have presumably done with PSG and Real Madrid when they've won big things

[Power n Glory]

We do need a new manager, but I think with a strong captain we'd be challenging.

We've got plenty of experienced players that were captains and leaders for former clubs and country. From keeper to up front. It's nothing to do with who is captain. It's the culture allowed to fester at the club.

[Goonermerree]

I do think a strong captain helps though. At least you have someone on the pitch to rally the troops. However, we do need a new manager.

[Power n Glory]

They also want clubs that win things, so they can festoon that allover their corporate merchandise

Emirates for example would love to shove on their British aircrafts - sponsors of the English Premier league champions

Like they have presumably done with PSG and Real Madrid when they've won big things

It's definitely not the sponsors that's a problem. Wenger has hid behind a lack of funding for years, be it the stadium capacity or the small sponsorship deals. Deflecting attention and pressure away from himself so his short comings aren't exposed. He's the only one that has delivered on what was originally sold to the fans.

[Power n Glory]

I do think a strong captain helps though. At least you have someone on the pitch to rally the troops. However, we do need a new manager.

You can see Sanchez screaming his guts out each game for players to put a shift in. We've seen Merts walk over to Ozil screaming at him for walking off the pitch without thanking the fans. The players still do the same each week. Cech seems like a leader. Xhaka was captain of his former club. But check out this story. Wenger is telling Xhaka to tone done the aggression and have some discipline but Xhaka is in the press saying he won't change his style of play. These guys walk all over Wenger. He has to set the tone for what's acceptable and what's not.

[LDG]

We've got plenty of experienced players that were captains and leaders for former clubs and country. From keeper to up front. It's nothing to do with who is captain. It's the culture allowed to fester at the club.

Bang on.

They look absolutely clueless in a great deal of matches, as they're told to go out and do the same old shit again and again, and if it doesn't work, they're hung out to dry awaiting a 69th minute sub.

Captains kick arse if they have a plan that some players aren't carrying out properly. They can have a word, or lead by example.

Plan? There ain't no plan.

[Ernesto]

You can see Sanchez screaming his guts out each game for players to put a shift in. We've seen Merts walk over to Ozil screaming at him for walking off the pitch without thanking the fans. The players still do the same each week. Cech seems like a leader. Xhaka was captain of his former club. But check out this story. Wenger is telling Xhaka to tone done the aggression and have some discipline but Xhaka is in the press saying he won't change his style of play. These guys walk all over Wenger. He has to set the tone for what's acceptable and what's not.

It's a weird one, isn't it? Even some of the total c*nts we've had at this club in Wengers tenure. The Fabregas's, the Gallas's, the RvC's the c*ntley Cole's. None of them have laid a parting shot on Wenger. It's like he's obsessed with not being exposed to public humiliation much to the detriment of our own club. "OK, you can leave, but please don't make too much of a fuss, son"

It's probably what sets him apart from Ferguson. Stam, Keane, Ince, Sharpe. They've all had a pop at whiskey breath after they've left. It only made him stronger.

[AFC Leveller]

What a ridiculously farcical post. What have we been challenging for? Last time we challenged for the title was some 12 going on 13 seasons ago.

Furthermore, Mancs were winning titles; we haven't, so quite disingenuous drawing such a contrast.

What a ridiculously farcical reply.

We have been challenging (last year this time we were top if i remember correctly) but obviously bottled it when it got to February/March. Man u finished 7th, 5th etc over the last few years so obviously they have underachieved considering the money they spent.

Anyway my point was that it would take a few years for us to get our shit together. When you have the same manager for 20 odd years, it takes time to replace them and reorganize the structure of the club. If a massive club like Man u struggle, then so would we.

[Power n Glory]

What a ridiculously farcical reply.

We have been challenging (last year this time we were top if i remember correctly) but obviously bottled it when it got to February/March. Man u finished 7th, 5th etc over the last few years so obviously they have underachieved considering the money they spent.

Anyway my point was that it would take a few years for us to get our shit together. When you have the same manager for 20 odd years, it takes time to replace them and reorganize the structure of the club. If a massive club like Man u struggle, then so would we.

We may find it will take us some time to rebuild after Wenger but that’s only if we appoint the wrong manager. I think the problems at Utd and the replacing Fergie thing have been overblown. They’re struggling because they’ve picked poor managers. I wouldn’t say it’s down to having to replacing a manager that’s been at the helm for over 20 years. They picked David Moyes as Fergie’s successor which was an awful choice. Zero credentials to suggest he was up for that job but they picked him anyway. If they would have went with Mourinho, Conte, Klopp or Pep as soon as Fergie retired they wouldn’t be in such a bad position.

Also, we have to look at the flipside. We’ve seen managers come in and transform a club after a complete disasters. Look how Conte’s appointment has totally transformed Chelsea after a complete disaster of a season last year. Poch and Klopp have got Spurs and Liverpool looking like contenders for once. It’s about making the right appointment. We have the money to compete and we’ve seen how quickly Chelsea and City won the titles but they only won after appointing managers with experience of winning the league.

[AFC Leveller]

Not sure I'd really want Simeone, as much as our football lacks for entertainment I actually hate watching Atletico Madrid play

Simeone would be a great manager for us. He is a modern manager who would bring a lot of lost qualities to the club. Great motivator, tactician, winner etc he ticks all the boxes.