Apparently Wiltord and Wenger almost got to the point where they would engage in fisticuffs, which explains why Wiltord went through his last season with us being out with a mysterious injury.
Apparently Wiltord and Wenger almost got to the point where they would engage in fisticuffs, which explains why Wiltord went through his last season with us being out with a mysterious injury.
Wiltord wasn't happy about being played on the wing so they'd argue about that. The common theme is the player being unhappy with Wenger and the player confronting the manager about it. Going back to what was being originally discussed and what Souness touched on, Wenger isn't hammering into players for the mistakes being made on the pitch. If he is barking instructions behind closed doors, they're not paying attention to him so you'd also have to question how much respect he really commands. It's a mystery. I think Souness has a point and I believe the manager is soft with his players. I think he can be brutal when he dismisses a player and drops them from the team but I don't think he's constantly on a players case when under performing. He came out to defend Ozil's work rate with stats after that poor City but even Bellerin has said Ozil is the laziest in training and he's not the first team mate to have a dig at him. Not sure why Wenger feels the need to make excuses for them. Even with the Adebayor situation he was a bit of a coward. He accused the fans of turning things sour. When sold Ade told the press that Wenger told him we needed the money and had to sell. What rubbish!
Oh i totally agree with the conclusion Souness draws, even Wenger's strongest advocates like David Dein have claimed that Wenger is totally non-confrontational which is fine in some ways as you don't want someone picking fights left, right and centre but it also means you lack the assertiveness to challenge something that clearly isn't fine.Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
I think if Wenger does stand up to his players it's usually a reactive rather than proactive measure as taken with the rows he supposedly had with Wiltord.
I just don't necessarily think Players having nothing bad to say about Wenger immediately can lead to you to that conclusion, and in Souness' case you can imagine he can't believe that no ex players have anything bad to say about a manager because so many of his ex players despise him.
My Argument (somewhat pedantic i'll concede) is Souness has come to the correct conclusion using the incorrect methodology.
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Mine too. I do get the feeling he will be around in some kind of advisory/consultant role...similar to SAF is/was at United.
I don't think the board will have the balls to get shot of him completely and I don't think Wenger will completely walk away.
More than anything...it worries me that Wenger will be fully involved in the recruitment of the new guy.
Bye.
Yep. He's the best player in the PL and it will be impossible to replace him. Since we bought him the transfer market has got even more ridiculous and it would cost 80, 90, 100 mill to buy a like for like replacement. So if we sold him the quality of our squad would go down and stay down. What we need is a competent manager who can use Ozil in an effective system. In Wenger we are far, far away from that. Besides, if we ask about needing Ozil then Walcott, Ox, Alexis, Ramsey, Bellerin, Cech, Giroud, do we need any of them if we are going to stick with this ridiculous manager? No. We could do just as well with 11 average nobodies. Plus there's the question of prestige. If we start selling our best players again then the whole stadium thing is done. Well done for the fans anyway. As we know, the suits have all done rather well from it. But those promises of competing with the best, forget it.
This Ozil thing is pure silliness. Of course we want a player of his calibre here. Silly notions like selling him just detract from the only question that's on the table. How much longer will Wenger remain at this club. Because that gives the answer to everything else. If Wenger is determined to stay then sure, sell Ozil. What difference will it make? But if Wenger can be persuaded or forced to go then it's a whole new ball game. Sell nobody because we haven't seen any of these players in a sane system yet.
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Best player in the PL?When was the last time he was the best player on the pitch?
Probably technically the most gifted, or at least one of the most....just a lazy fuck thoughBest player in the PL?
Great player, one of the best players in the world and an asset to any team.
However, his performances on the big games away from home always disappoint and the way he ducked out of every single fucking challenge today was infruriating.
Someone who deserves to be recognised as a game changer would have grabbed this game today and turned it around by either scoring a couple or making a real difference. He has failed to turn up today again.
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