True but he's definitely a purveyor of misery, there is wanting Wenger out and there's being ZimOriginally Posted by Power_n_Glory
Knock it off. He's hardly posted all season like a lot of regulars. People have checked out for this season. Even the GW server is trying to pack it in.
Not my fault the guy is incapable of learning a lesson, most people learn from their mistakes, if not the 2nd time round, then the 3rd, 4th or 5th.
Then we have Wenger who still hasn't learned a thing after 10+ tries.
That's not what I find ridiculous, it's your daft assertion that the club would have been better off if he'd never become manager in the first place and that it will be worse off once he leaves than when he took on the job in 1996.
People hail the man as somekind of magician, guess what a magician doesn't go most of his career at one club consistently failing to succeed, name me 1 other manager who after a period of great success has failed to reproduce for so long and still remained in charge.
I'm pretty sure that once he leaves we're likely to go through a slump (I'll take it though) simply because this club is basically Arsene Wenger FC, it shouldn't be but it is, so when he leaves it will be hard for anyone to take over, his personality and flaws are so ingrained in this club it will take a good few years to get rid of that.
Man U went through it, but they had a far superior manager, with a will to succeed, so at least they had years of success before it happened, we on the other hand have had years of frustration and disappointment, some of us have even come to accept failure and turned it on its head as if it's actually success.
Last edited by Özim; 11-01-2017 at 02:33 PM.
You are pettifogging, the issue is not whether he's the second coming or something like that....the issue is whether the club has improved and grown bigger as a result of him being the manager than the position it was in in 1996. No-one is stating that he hasn't massively outstayed his welcome or that he hasn't come close to emulating what he did in the first half of his arsenal managerial career, but we are an incredibly well run club and Wenger is part of that even as a football manager he is massively lacking.
I'd like him to move on to give a younger, more ambitious and more innovative man a chance to move the team forward, but there is absolutely no question that this club is a very attractive prospect for any manager and Wenger takes responsibility for that as much as he takes responsibility for our inability to challenge for major honours.
Maybe the club is an attracitve proposition, but let me remind you we were heavily linked with managers like Bobby Robson and Cruyff top managers back in the day before Wenger even joined.
I don't think we've ever struggled to attract managers, I won't argue the club is bigger and run better, but I don't attribute that to Wenger alone, this could and probably would have happened even without him here, just as it has at other clubs, I personally think Wenger gets too much credit for that, he's done well out of it, very well and with little or no risk to himself, so his efforts weren't selfless.
That's a good word. I'm going to use that today.
Für eure Sicherheit
It is a good word
Clough.
And he ended up taking Forest down.
You're spot on and you can see what happened with Forest, a manager being in charge too long loses his edge but still believes his way is the right way to the detriment of the club. That's very rare, but it has happened and we're seeing it again this time at Arsenal.
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