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    Quote Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie View Post
    You are pettifogging, the issue is not whether he's the second coming or something like that....the issue is whether the club has improved and grown bigger as a result of him being the manager than the position it was in in 1996. No-one is stating that he hasn't massively outstayed his welcome or that he hasn't come close to emulating what he did in the first half of his arsenal managerial career, but we are an incredibly well run club and Wenger is part of that even as a football manager he is massively lacking.
    I'd like him to move on to give a younger, more ambitious and more innovative man a chance to move the team forward, but there is absolutely no question that this club is a very attractive prospect for any manager and Wenger takes responsibility for that as much as he takes responsibility for our inability to challenge for major honours.
    That's a good word. I'm going to use that today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Özim View Post
    You're spot on and you can see what happened with Forest, a manager being in charge too long loses his edge but still believes his way is the right way to the detriment of the club. That's very rare, but it has happened and we're seeing it again this time at Arsenal.
    Yes, but all Wenger's done is taken us from 1st to 4th. We've got a great stadium, a huge global fanbase, a great squad, money in the bank. We are very well placed for a new manager coming in. We do need to move on from Wenger, I hoped the new players he was buying could push us on, it does seem that Wenger is the limiting factor. But credit where it's due for what he's achieved, where he's taken us and the state he's leaving us in wouldn't kill you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Letters View Post
    I did delete a post recently, was that you? It was about the plane crash which killed that football team, I just thought it was a bit soon and tasteless.
    And, for balance, I should say I made a joke in the Olympics which was a bit off colour - someone said something about it so I deleted my own post.
    I don't think this place should be a free-for-all but I personally think we let a lot go. And as Maccy says, there are occasions where stuff posted online gets people in trouble - the incident he mentioned I believe the police got involved and stuff can end up in the press. This is a very low profile site so I accept that's unlikely but there should still be a line.
    The line is that which can get you in trouble with the police

    I don't think anything I said came even close to approaching that line, and most of the people here are old lags I don't think there is a single individual here who would left to their own devices end up saying things that end up with this place under the legal microscope.

    The last remark of mine that got deleted was making fun of Islam, now making fun of any religion is something I take not only as a right but a responsibility especially with daft laws against Religious intolerance. It also needs to be made clear that there is a clear distinction between mocking a religion and mocking or being abusive to individual believers.

    For instance I don't take any of our back and forth in regards to Christianity as abusive and I don't think you do either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cripps View Post
    That's a good word. I'm going to use that today.
    It is a good word

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    Quote Originally Posted by Letters View Post
    I did delete a post recently, was that you? It was about the plane crash which killed that football team, I just thought it was a bit soon and tasteless.
    And, for balance, I should say I made a joke in the Olympics which was a bit off colour - someone said something about it so I deleted my own post.
    I don't think this place should be a free-for-all but I personally think we let a lot go. And as Maccy says, there are occasions where stuff posted online gets people in trouble - the incident he mentioned I believe the police got involved and stuff can end up in the press. This is a very low profile site so I accept that's unlikely but there should still be a line.
    Because the families of that football team tune in here regularly. That kind of censorship is pure shit. YOUR judgement of taste imposed as a rule. It's not for you to decide and it never will be. But you have the tools to simulate having the right I guess.

    All told though, I agree that most stuff is let go. The few posters on here know each other well enough, they know what's real and what's a lark.

    Where's Kano btw? Another one missing in action.

    Can I have my Niall_Quinn name back now? The Cripps thing is a bit dull and only snagged a few fish. Somehow people have figured out it's really me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Letters View Post
    Yes, but all Wenger's done is taken us from 1st to 4th. We've got a great stadium, a huge global fanbase, a great squad, money in the bank. We are very well placed for a new manager coming in. We do need to move on from Wenger, I hoped the new players he was buying could push us on, it does seem that Wenger is the limiting factor. But credit where it's due for what he's achieved, where he's taken us and the state he's leaving us in wouldn't kill you.
    We do have that, but as mentioned before I don't attribute all of that to Wenger alone, he seems to get all the credit when in fact he didn't really risk anything himself to achieve much of this, he's played his part but so have many others who never get any credit and who probably put far more on the line than him, he was and always has been a handsomely paid employee, what did he have to lose?

    Yes we're a bigger club with more money, I don't personally believe we're all setup for a new manager however, this club is too much about one man and this will mean when things change we'll go through a transitional period where we'll probably end up lower than we are through no fault of the next manager, coming into a club where someone has been in charge for 20 years is very hard, there's a lot to change including mentality which doesn't happen overnight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn View Post
    The Cripps thing is a bit dull and only snagged a few fish. Somehow people have figured out it's really me.
    How on earth did they manage to deduce that

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    Quote Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn View Post
    Because the families of that football team tune in here regularly. That kind of censorship is pure shit. YOUR judgement of taste imposed as a rule. It's not for you to decide and it never will be. But you have the tools to simulate having the right I guess.
    Well, either this place is moderated or it isn't. If it is then it is for me, and the other mods, to decide. You might disagree with me and that's fine, but unless it's a completely unmoderated forum someone has to do it.
    I don't have to know people personally or worry about their relatives reading comments in order to think things offensive. As I said in the Olympics I made a joke which a couple of people thought was over the line - those people didn't know anyone I mentioned personally either but fine, I took their comments on board and deleted the post. Democracy doesn't work as we found out last year so this place is a benevolent dictatorship which I think we can all agree is the best form of government.

    Changed your name back.

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    My response to either we have mods or we don't

    Is there need for mods

    No one here is going to earnestly call for violence to be done to another user, no one will publish personal details of another user, and no one will use this as their alternative to deep web activities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Letters View Post
    I know for a fact that people left because of him.

    The post count isn't anywhere near enough to make this a good site, we definitely need new people. My feeling is that we're not going to suddenly see a resurgence I don't think we've done anything wrong though, the whole concept of messageboards is less popular than it used to be, people have moved on to chatting about things on FB and in other ways. I couldn't work out if you were accusing me of discouraging discussion, I don't see how I've ever done that.
    Someone that hasn't posted in a while engages with a new thread and you start wumming straight away because of some personal beef or whatever.

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