Arsenal AGM

[Özim]

So. What would you do with the club if you were in Stan's shoes. Be brief, and no need to say "sack Wenger" because I think we know that.

Seriously, with the majority stake in the club, how would you change the club. I'm interested, because I want to see whether your logic regarding the football side of things, balances with the financial.

1) Get rid of the we're doing well mentality we have at the club (losers attitude), winning is the aim and everything else has to be considered a disappointment, if we don't win we don't win but let's no celebrate coming 4th

2) Make some money available to bring in "quality" players, not kids, not nobodies but more established players who know what it takes to win, perhaps include leaders in this

3) Highlight the need to fix the problem areas urgently by whatever means necessary (if top coaches are required bring them in)

4) Back to basics approach where players must do the basics well, pretty football is desirable but must come 2nd to a players ability to do a job in their chosen position

5) Discourage playing players out of position except when necessary, if players are needed for a particular position find specialist players for those positions

6) Point out that it's the managers job to manage and that he doesn't need to worry about the money side

7) A balancing of youth vs experience, signing youths is fine in moderation but not instead of experience

8) Demand a plan of action for how we plan to move forward to achieve our goals in the next 5 years

[LDG]

1) Get rid of the we're doing well mentality we have at the club (losers attitude), winning is the aim and everything else has to be considered a disappointment, if we don't win we don't win but let's no celebrate coming 4th

2) Make some money available to bring in "quality" players, not kids, not nobodies but more established players who know what it takes to win, perhaps include leaders in this

3) Highlight the need to fix the problem areas urgently by whatever means necessary (if top coaches are required bring them in)

4) Back to basics approach where players must do the basics well, pretty football is desirable but must come 2nd to a players ability to do a job in their chosen position

5) Discourage playing players out of position except when necessary, if players are needed for a particular position find specialist players for those positions

6) Point out that it's the managers job to manage and that he doesn't need to worry about the money side

7) A balancing of youth vs experience, signing youths is fine in moderation but not instead of experience

8) Demand a plan of action for how we plan to move forward to achieve our goals in the next 5 years

I must say, that sounds more like what I want to read, rather than constant digs. Thanks for this

I agree on pretty much all your points.

My question to you now, is, should Stan demand this kind of action, which I think we all know is warranted, could Wenger do this job?

My argument here, is that he is avery good manager, regardless of what you think of him. You, yourself, must agknowledge some of the things he brings to the party. I know it wears thin on you, but he has acheived more, consistently, than many other managers with much more money behind them ('Arry for example).

Therefore, if he were to change his ways because Stan dictates that to him, would you then support the geezer?

And also, if Wenger is the problem (as you beleive), why have you raised all those points, which, SHOULD be implemented and SHOULD be dictated to Wenger by the board.

By that logic, it must be the board being weak / greedy / whatever, to let Wenger get away with it.....

[Özim]

I must say, that sounds more like what I want to read, rather than constant digs. Thanks for this

I agree on pretty much all your points.

My question to you now, is, should Stan demand this kind of action, which I think we all know is warranted, could Wenger do this job?

My argument here, is that he is avery good manager, regardless of what you think of him. You, yourself, must agknowledge some of the things he brings to the party. I know it wears thin on you, but he has acheived more, consistently, than many other managers with much more money behind them ('Arry for example).

Therefore, if he were to change his ways because Stan dictates that to him, would you then support the geezer?

And also, if Wenger is the problem (as you beleive), why have you raised all those points, which, SHOULD be implemented and SHOULD be dictated to Wenger by the board.

By that logic, it must be the board being weak / greedy / whatever, to let Wenger get away with it.....

If we put these changes in place and it was clear Wenger was making these changes then yes I'd be behind him, what riles me about him is this almost oblivious approach that seems to keep us in a rut, he doesn't accept that things don't work and hasn't really shown much interest in changing things.

I believe the board are happy because they are making money and that's their incentive, I have a real problem with this and I make no bones about the fact they take a lot of the blame, but Wenger also just goes along with it and goes further than this by supporting/defending this approach.

He's clearly happy with it or else he wouldn't need to publicly come out with the things he does...he seems to get adequate pride from us doing well economically that he doesn't feel the need to go the extra yard to achieve success, he's had a long time to make changes now and show that he's adaptable IMO it's obvious can't or won't adapt.

I ask the question would Mourinho or Ferguson just take their 6 million a year and then accept they can't win, I doubt it I'm pretty sure they'd be doing everything they could to win and wouldn't be overly worried about the financial side (which isn't a managers job after all).

[LDG]

Fair do's.

I can't make up my mind. Haven't been able to for some time now. There always seems to be this sense that he has the ability to turn things around, but frustratingly in recent years, hasn't gone the extra steps to make it so.

But I've also come to the conclusion, that an intelligent man such as himself, surely can't be as deluded as it appears, and that there has to be more to it.

And if there is more to it, then bringing in another manager won't change a thing. If the same policy of profiteering on player sales is thrust (teehee) on another manager, then we're in for more of the same, possibly worse. Because I still believe that Wenger can find players on the cheap that many other manager can't.

That said. Another manager may bring in more dicipline, that Wenger seems to shun.

Difficult one, and that's why I don't think swinging towards any extreme is particularly right. And that's why I believe we just have to get behind the boys and give the players (if nobody else) as much support as possible, perhaps rather than dismissing some decent results, or bemoaning our lack of Vieira's, Henry's and Piresessss's(?).

Just my take.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

1) Get rid of the we're doing well mentality we have at the club (losers attitude), winning is the aim and everything else has to be considered a disappointment, if we don't win we don't win but let's no celebrate coming 4th

2) Make some money available to bring in "quality" players, not kids, not nobodies but more established players who know what it takes to win, perhaps include leaders in this

3) Highlight the need to fix the problem areas urgently by whatever means necessary (if top coaches are required bring them in)

4) Back to basics approach where players must do the basics well, pretty football is desirable but must come 2nd to a players ability to do a job in their chosen position

5) Discourage playing players out of position except when necessary, if players are needed for a particular position find specialist players for those positions

6) Point out that it's the managers job to manage and that he doesn't need to worry about the money side

7) A balancing of youth vs experience, signing youths is fine in moderation but not instead of experience

8) Demand a plan of action for how we plan to move forward to achieve our goals in the next 5 years

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[Olivier's xmas twist]

If we put these changes in place and it was clear Wenger was making these changes then yes I'd be behind him, what riles me about him is this almost oblivious approach that seems to keep us in a rut, he doesn't accept that things don't work and hasn't really shown much interest in changing things.

I believe the board are happy because they are making money and that's their incentive, I have a real problem with this and I make no bones about the fact they take a lot of the blame, but Wenger also just goes along with it and goes further than this by supporting/defending this approach.

He's clearly happy with it or else he wouldn't need to publicly come out with the things he does...he seems to get adequate pride from us doing well economically that he doesn't feel the need to go the extra yard to achieve success, he's had a long time to make changes now and show that he's adaptable IMO it's obvious can't or won't adapt.

I ask the question would Mourinho or Ferguson just take their 6 million a year and then accept they can't win, I doubt it I'm pretty sure they'd be doing everything they could to win and wouldn't be overly worried about the financial side (which isn't a managers job after all).

No they would not, but with a board like ours would they have a choice? I could not see AW going to Madrid and not spending or not winning a title for 6 seasons and be in the job or at UTD or even at Chelsea.

But could see Jose M or Fergie remain in a job here for 6 years if they don't win anything in that time.

Jose is a winner we all know that but so is Aw i still belive even if he comes across as someone who does not want to win or beatern all the time. I agree he should no have a happy to accpet 2nd best attitude its wrong. and he should fight the board if he feels the team needs defending.

How ever to say the man is clueless is wrong, its more he is stubbon if anything, only him addmiting his mistakes (which i think he is startng to do), or the board having a word in his ear will change things for the better.

so we can the get the AW we all know and love back.

my problem is the club as a whole needs to stop lying to the fans for once treat us with repect and let us know whats going on. Lets hope stan does that.

[Özim]

No they would not, but with a board like ours would they have a choice?

Maybe they wouldn't but I'd reckon they'd fallout with the board and leave in that case, they'd most likely take a stand and not agree with it at the very least.

[Coney]

I ask the question would Mourinho or Ferguson just take their 6 million a year and then accept they can't win, I doubt it I'm pretty sure they'd be doing everything they could to win and wouldn't be overly worried about the financial side (which isn't a managers job after all).

The manager might not always make the direct financial decision but if he does not take it into account, he is getting nowhere. Ferguson is, I suspect, more prepared to pay the extra couple of million than Wenger, but I'm sure he still does some sums to see how the budget will stretch. Mourinho certainly didn't have to worry about it with the chavs and probably doesn't have to much at Real either, but that is not the norm.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Maybe they wouldn't but I'd reckon they'd fallout with the board and leave in that case, they'd most likely take a stand and not agree with it at the very least.

Your right, Who's to say AW does not agree with all the boards decision and some fallout has taken place. I suppose we will never know till he leaves

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Fair do's.

I can't make up my mind. Haven't been able to for some time now. There always seems to be this sense that he has the ability to turn things around, but frustratingly in recent years, hasn't gone the extra steps to make it so.

But I've also come to the conclusion, that an intelligent man such as himself, surely can't be as deluded as it appears, and that there has to be more to it.

And if there is more to it, then bringing in another manager won't change a thing. If the same policy of profiteering on player sales is thrust (teehee) on another manager, then we're in for more of the same, possibly worse. Because I still believe that Wenger can find players on the cheap that many other manager can't.

That said. Another manager may bring in more dicipline, that Wenger seems to shun.Difficult one, and that's why I don't think swinging towards any extreme is particularly right. And that's why I believe we just have to get behind the boys and give the players (if nobody else) as much support as possible, perhaps rather than dismissing some decent results, or bemoaning our lack of Vieira's, Henry's and Piresessss's(?).

Just my take.

Not if the board let wenger bring in his own sucessor, it be someone like him maybe another "yes man" as some put it to the board.