lol he's made it his sig
lol he's made it his sig
He's definitely gone mentalOriginally Posted by Ironing
1). Where has wenger said such things?
2). What did he say the previous seasons when the same flaws were being highlighted back then?
3). If he admitted to those mistakes seasons ago as you claim he has been doing, what did he do about it? Didn't he brush off any criticisms and concerns hence the "judge me in may" comment he made prior to the start of last season?
4) The rest of my post is plenty relevant -- because according to you, we have a manager who it takes five seasons to admit "he was wrong" and "admitted he made mistakes and that the lack of trophies was his fault". Other clubs have moved on plenty within that time --- and that makes a blind bit of difference to us" !
Last edited by budesonide; 12-06-2011 at 11:08 PM.
‘Arsene was very cautious and David was very ambitious for the club,’ said former director Keith Edelman, managing director at the time. ‘He was very good at getting Arsene into a position where he was comfortable spending money.’
The board have said if wenger identifies a player he really wants and he needs the money it's there. Wenger doesn't think it's worth it!
1. It's out there, it was over the papers and I've seen it in a few interviews, you know how to use Google.
2. He talked about how the team wasn't ready and moaned about injuries in previous seasons, he thought there were enough reasons as to why the squad wasn't ready physically to justify a few of the guys on the fringe getting the benefit of the doubt so he tweaked things around in the sumer and revamped the defence as it was obvious that it wasn't working in that incarnation. As it happened, he was wrong and those players who weren't quite there let him down.
3. That's not at all what I'm saying, he was wrong on the level of players and whether they would serve to deliver trophies although given we were looking at making changes with confirmed bids for Reina and Jagielka I would suspect he wasn't quite as sure about the quality as he represented to us and probably even some of the players. That was this season, the previous seasons he was spouting off about how the team was nearly there and it would only be a matter of time, I agree that this statement turned out to be inaccurate but to say that he made it a year later when he patently didn't is either uninformed or...erm...short-sighted.
4. Should we keep faith in Wenger for longer because Martinez has been at Wigan for longer than he should be? That's about as logical as saying that Real Madrid win things and frequently change manager therefore we must do that in order to win. Incidentally, Wenger admitted he was wrong once it was shown that he was wrong, if you can judge that our mentality would definitely not be ready 5 years in advance without building the team you could afford to build (yeah, we were definitely unable to compete with Chelsea/Man U/Real back then) then whichever business you're in, you should switch as you could make a mint elsewhere.
I asked those questions in specific order to elicit the exact post you've made.
You keep making excuses for wenger. But, hey, it is entirely your perogative.
Last edited by budesonide; 12-06-2011 at 11:43 PM.
‘Arsene was very cautious and David was very ambitious for the club,’ said former director Keith Edelman, managing director at the time. ‘He was very good at getting Arsene into a position where he was comfortable spending money.’
The board have said if wenger identifies a player he really wants and he needs the money it's there. Wenger doesn't think it's worth it!
Riiiiiiiiiiight.
Good debating there.
If I say I deliberately wrote those words in that order was to make it look like you couldn't find a response and so had to come up with some smartarse remark, would you believe me?
Last edited by Darth Vela; 12-06-2011 at 11:51 PM.
You want me to debate you on the fact that you are willing to make excuses for a manager earning 6million a year by comparison to wigan's manager? Sorry to disappoint.
‘Arsene was very cautious and David was very ambitious for the club,’ said former director Keith Edelman, managing director at the time. ‘He was very good at getting Arsene into a position where he was comfortable spending money.’
The board have said if wenger identifies a player he really wants and he needs the money it's there. Wenger doesn't think it's worth it!
No I wouldn't. But if you cannot see that I am arguing against making excuses for wenger, whilst you kept making excuses and inventing reasons throughout that post, then I sorry -- I can only admit that you are entitled to yur opinion.
‘Arsene was very cautious and David was very ambitious for the club,’ said former director Keith Edelman, managing director at the time. ‘He was very good at getting Arsene into a position where he was comfortable spending money.’
The board have said if wenger identifies a player he really wants and he needs the money it's there. Wenger doesn't think it's worth it!
No, my point was that it is incredibly stupid to use comparisons like that.
There's plenty to debate in there otherwise, the changes he's made, how far he's gone and where things could be changed, whether his way was necessary, whether we could have done it another way, or you could just claim that you knew what people were going to say all along and save all that pesky logic and facts thing to others.
I'll stop there as it's late and we're about to descend into a slanging match.
Well, if you can only see reasoned debates as either prosecuting or excusing then yeah we ain't going anywhere.
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