Arsenal on the slide?

[Cripps_orig]

If were stuck in a rut then its down to the manager and the board. Come on Cripps you and me know if they wanted to do something about it they would.

Our problems are self made no matter how much AW talks about other clubs spending and fiancial rules.

Saw a quote with AW going on about how this season is the last season to spend big, and how next season the financial fair fules come into play.

You culd just see him smirkig as he said it. Has his excuses ready for why he won't spend next summer already.

I wish i knew how to multi quote cos id use it here but nevertheless

Wenger is the problem. That much is obvious to all and sundry. The board wont sack him though cos he doesnt spend money and the money he doesnt spend goes in to their pockets and keeps them rich.

Agree with that. For all of Chelseas and Man Citys spending, that had f all to do with us losing a 4 goal lead in 20 mins, losing a cup final against a team in the relegation zone, not winning arguably the easiest CL group in history meaning we faced Barca instead of Roma as Shakthar did. All that is down to us and not the money spent by other clubs

As a great man once said, "Wenger has gone senile" I do wonder though what excuse he will use when the fairplay rule comes about and we still win f all. Hope we never found out cos he'll be gone

[Olivier's xmas twist]

I wish i knew how to multi quote cos id use it here but nevertheless

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Its easy just click on the button on the right hand side of the " reply with quote" button then click the button till you see a tick then it should work.

[Cripps_orig]

If were stuck in a rut then its down to the manager and the board. Come on Cripps you and me know if they wanted to do something about it they would.

Our problems are self made no matter how much AW talks about other clubs spending and fiancial rules.

Saw a quote with AW going on about how this season is the last season to spend big, and how next season the financial fair fules come into play.

You culd just see him smirkig as he said it. Has his excuses ready for why he won't spend next summer already.

Its easy just click on the button on the right hand side of the " reply with quote" button then click the button till you see a tick then it should work.

Thats what i did.

[Letters]

Wenger is the problem. That much is obvious to all and sundry. The board wont sack him though cos he doesnt spend money and the money he doesnt spend goes in to their pockets and keeps them rich.

Agree with that. For all of Chelseas and Man Citys spending, that had f all to do with us losing a 4 goal lead in 20 mins, losing a cup final against a team in the relegation zone, not winning arguably the easiest CL group in history meaning we faced Barca instead of Roma as Shakthar did. All that is down to us and not the money spent by other clubs

As a great man once said, "Wenger has gone senile" I do wonder though what excuse he will use when the fairplay rule comes about and we still win f all. Hope we never found out cos he'll be gone

Do you think we'll do better when Wenger goes? Really?

[Cripps_orig]

Do you think we'll do better when Wenger goes? Really?

I dont know that. Nobody does but i think its time we took that risk cos the one we thing we do know is that if Wenger stays then we are going one way and one way only and thats down.

Not necessarily relegation although i did make that Clough comparison on another thread but certainly out of the top 4.

We might get worse after Wenger. On the other hand, we might get better depending on who comes in. Plenty of decent managers out there who have won trophies for their clubs.

[Marc Overmars]

Do you think we'll do better when Wenger goes? Really?

To be honest I'm beyond the point of caring now. I think the club needs to gamble in some shape or form, whether that's in the transfer market or getting rid of Wenger I am open to both.

This is not our fault of course, but I resent the fact that 4th can get you into the CL. That's essentially why Wenger is still in a job and gets by relatively unquestioned, because he can qualify for this predictable money spinning competition that we don't have a hope of winning anytime soon. It might be beneficial to the board but for us the fans I don't think we take much pleasure anymore in qualifying.

[Özim]

To be honest I'm beyond the point of caring now. I think the club needs to gamble in some shape or form, whether that's in the transfer market or getting rid of Wenger I am open to both.

This is not our fault of course, but I resent the fact that 4th can get you into the CL. That's essentially why Wenger is still in a job and gets by relatively unquestioned, because he can qualify for this predictable money spinning competition that we don't have a hope of winning anytime soon.

Yeah me too, I don't give a toss about 4th place to be honest, sick of just making up the numbers in the CL too.

I'd rather we got someone new in, we might do worse of course but at least it's also possible we could do better, moreover we'd have hope at least.

4th place gets you into the CL, what a joke it's suppose to be the "Champions" league not the Champions, 2nd, 3rd and 4th place losers league. I could just about live with the top 2 going into it, but 4 teams...that's ridiculous.

[Joker]

Yeah me too, I don't give a toss about 4th place to be honest, sick of just making up the numbers in the CL too.

I'd rather we got someone new in, we might do worse of course but at least it's also possible we could do better, moreover we'd have hope at least.

4th place gets you into the CL, what a joke it's suppose to be the "Champions" league not the Champions, 2nd, 3rd and 4th place losers league. I could just about live with the top 2 going into it, but 4 teams...that's ridiculous.

True, even if there are negative effects in the short run (i.e. dropping out of the top 4) surely it is worth it if in the long run we can break this cycle of stagnation and actually go on win trophies? We can be conservative and worry about the effects of Wenger leaving, but if we maintain that mentality, we'll be stuck with top 4 finishes and no trophies every year, and eventually we'll drop out of the Champions League places anyway, with other teams around us improving.

[Letters]

I do think it's getting to the point where we need to take the risk but I also think we're quite likely to get worse post-Wenger and some are underestimating how good he is. For all the frustrations he's not suddenly become a bad manager. He's kept us top 4 and while I no longer care about that - I'd rather be in mid-table and win a trophy - I think some are underestimating how well he's done to achieve that. Plenty of other managers have spent far more in an attempt to make their sides a fixture in the top 4 and failed miserably.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Do you think we'll do better when Wenger goes? Really?

Well it can't get any worse can it