Arshavin

[Power n Glory]

I don't think it's confidence. I think football just doesn't excite him any more and he's given up on trying to become any better.

I think that's fair enough, really. I'd imagine that's what I'd be like if I was a footballer. Some people can get bored by it.

I not even sure it's that. He's not happy here at the club or in this country. Doesn't help that he' played out of position as well. He's been off form for ages now and Wenger hasn't listened to him about playing in a more central role. He's done it for a Carling Cup game and way back when we had no strikers in a 4-3-3. The fans have been on his back for months and he keeps getting played in a position that doesn't suit him. I think he's numb to it all now.

[Fist of Lehmann]

It's true that when you've come from a poor background you can lose your hunger, once you've made it and are now lounging around the mansion in your gold-encrusted shorts.

And if it were the case, Wenger may well have realised. Unfortunately, we sort of need him atm, and even if Wenger considered selling him last summer, the squad turnover was already too large to consider it.

[Syn]

I don't get the 'out of position' thing. Maybe he's not playing in his ideal position, but that doesn't give you licence to play like a retard. If I'm remembering right, he was playing on the left when he was destroying teams to get us in the top 4. But in either case, no matter where you are on the pitch, I think if you fancy yourself as a showboating poncy twat, you can skip past players whether you're in defence or midfield or attack, on the left, centre or right. He used to be able to beat a couple of players with ease and find a great ball. Now nevermind about beating players, he can't even make simple 10 yard passes without it being intercepted half the time.

[Marc Overmars]

Players like him are the reason we've regressed so badly. Disinterested muppets that live in their own bubble.

Get rid.

[Japan Shaking All Over]

I not even sure it's that. He's not happy here at the club or in this country. Doesn't help that he' played out of position as well. He's been off form for ages now and Wenger hasn't listened to him about playing in a more central role. He's done it for a Carling Cup game and way back when we had no strikers in a 4-3-3. The fans have been on his back for months and he keeps getting played in a position that doesn't suit him. I think he's numb to it all now.

I agree the guy is not a winger and is not suited to the system, the blame for this falls squarely on Wengers shoulders. I think Arshavin was a great player to have bought but Wenger was quite clearly wrong to think that the guy could change as he has been with not only Arshavin.

It seems the football has been drilled out of the guy because he offers little to no contribution. However one thing he has learnt though it to spin a yarn, wasnt it him that was vowing to up his game earlier in the season, sure he may be out of position but the fans want to see guys take their chance and use a la Oxo because if he aint starting games from now on, Wenger quite clearly has more than just one screw loose

[GP]

I don't get the 'out of position' thing. Maybe he's not playing in his ideal position, but that doesn't give you licence to play like a retard. If I'm remembering right, he was playing on the left when he was destroying teams to get us in the top 4. But in either case, no matter where you are on the pitch, I think if you fancy yourself as a showboating poncy twat, you can skip past players whether you're in defence or midfield or attack, on the left, centre or right. He used to be able to beat a couple of players with ease and find a great ball. Now nevermind about beating players, he can't even make simple 10 yard passes without it being intercepted half the time.

qft

[Olivier's xmas twist]

I not even sure it's that. He's not happy here at the club or in this country. Doesn't help that he' played out of position as well. He's been off form for ages now and Wenger hasn't listened to him about playing in a more central role. He's done it for a Carling Cup game and way back when we had no strikers in a 4-3-3. The fans have been on his back for months and he keeps getting played in a position that doesn't suit him. I think he's numb to it all now.

He should play where he is fecking told ffs, if he can't show motivation for that then why should be paly in the centre because he wants too.

He is a footballer not a school boy ffs

[Japan Shaking All Over]

I agree the guy is not a winger and is not suited to the system, the blame for this falls squarely on Wengers shoulders. I think Arshavin was a great player to have bought but Wenger was quite clearly wrong to think that the guy could change as he has been with not only Arshavin.

It seems the football has been drilled out of the guy because he offers little to no contribution. However one thing he has learnt though it to spin a yarn, wasnt it him that was vowing to up his game earlier in the season, sure he may be out of position but the fans want to see guys take their chance and use a la Oxo because if he aint starting games from now on, Wenger quite clearly has more than just one screw loose

Reading back on that, it kind of sounds like I am protecting him which really I'm not, becausr as a fan when I see a player with obvious talent putting in zero effort and making a balls of simple tasks, as someone said '10 yard passes' and seemingly only capable of running to pick up hos payslip, then an Arsenal shirt is not the one I want to see him in.

[Marc Overmars]

I don't buy this confidence thing either.

There have been mumerings of fan discontent about Arshavin for well over a year now. His performances reflect that and if he had anything about him as a professional we wouldn't still be talking about this.

[Cripps_orig]

Wengeritis has hit him the hardest.

We all saw how good he was previous to joining us and even when he joined us back in January 09.

He then had a full pre season under Wenger and he was coached out of all his talents and tried to get him to play the pass, pass, pass, lets not go anywhere but lose the ball and probably concede, pass, pass pass Wengerball way that has become so common in the past few years. So Wenger has totally mismanged him. Out of position, expecting him to defend which tbf he does try but hes not very good at it, case in point, the last game v Mancs. He tracked back but he didnt do much. So yes i blame Wenger mostly.

Saying that though, Arshavin is an international and a captain at that as Wenger made sure we knew and he probably could have done better to fight the effects of Wengeritis. He seems disinterested now.

Move him on. Hopefully will still get £10m for him from Anzhi Makelele whatever and that £10m will go down well in the pockets of Wenger and the board