He's a spent force I don't see how him being here is giving us the best possible chance of success. He's an extension of the board now and I don't know how anyone can back him and genuinely believe it.
Stick a fork in him, he's done.
He's a spent force I don't see how him being here is giving us the best possible chance of success. He's an extension of the board now and I don't know how anyone can back him and genuinely believe it.
Stick a fork in him, he's done.
no worries; I was just ranting at these articles that seem to paint wenger as some incorruptible ideologist -- when in fact he is just as self-involved as anyone else in the gameOriginally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz
He's the arshavin of football managers.
Can you separate the reasons you hate the game from the fact the club you support is in a self-imposed slump? Would you hate the game if Arsenal were winning titles? I'm not having a go, I ask myself the same question. Do City fans hate the game or even care how they achieve their success? I doubt it. I don't think fans are stupid, I think many are dishonest with themselves. In this respect there's little difference between the owners and the fans, self-interest trumps all. The owners have more balls to go out and grab what they want though. That's why I go on about shit like politics and economics and link it to the game. That's why I hate what the game is now, because it is like all those other corrupted things. In answering myself honestly, it would be easier to kid myself if we were winning - no doubt about that. But it wouldn't be possible to gloss over all the shit. I know people yawn when I start going on, but that's the reason I do it because I see the connection. To be fair to him, Joker asks the same questions. Some prefer to limit it to just the football and that's their right. But I don't think you can fully explain what;s going on here if you restrict yourself in that way.
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Maybe Dein isn't half as smart as he thinks he is and ended up being a light snack for Kroenke. Dein's behaviour doesn't suggest he places Arsenal above all else and it would kind of unrealistic to presume that anyway. He has plenty of money now but he has ended up being kicked out of football's power structure just when he was on the way up. I think he fucked up. He played a dangerous game and lost, then ran away to find reinforcements and lost that one too.
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i think it is a mixture of both; rarely are things simply black and white. the 'father figure' stories we've heard over the years are probably very true and remain so for the young players in the team. i think he firmly believes in the way we have been operating for years.
he is the final stretch of his life, probably more than happy to take home a lovely salary for his generations to follow. taking the money probably means more than losing his integrity now.
i think that is a good question and one i've asked myself recently. i don't think the arsenal situation helps the current malaise but there are other factors continuing to wake people up to the lack of connection with what they are watching. you've pointed towards those yourself in other posts - changes in society over the past few years have refocused many fans sucked into the money machine in life and on a football pitch.
fans are stupid. people are stupid. we're all fucking stupid at times. we all place our trust and many other things into elements we have no control over during our lifetime. you just have to hope that if things go wrong, you are ready to learn the lesson for next time.
Of course id be happy even we were winning titles but id still hate the way the game is going. Im sure city fans are loving life right now because lets be honset most never dreamed they'd be here.
But like you say the game has become souless unless you go to the lower leagues where the atmosphere is much better. For me Sepp and Plantini have runied the game and whils they stay there it will only get worse. These are the people who have allowed the game to become a business etc.
With Arsenal i'll always love the team and ill always back the players whilst in the shirt because you have to et behind them whist they play for you, but those who run it ill never back until i know they have clubs interest at heart.
He's not a bad manager and in another league could do very well if he went to an udinese/Athletico where he can get away with playing the way he does.
But with Arsenal i think he is finished and he knows this but desguises this with trying to be the club Villian. Wenger is not some fool who does not know what he is doing he does.
Don't think he has played it clever at all though. I mean a clever man would have said "i know let me give the fans a few cups like the cc or fa just to shut them up" Not this guy Why is that?
I think I'll love the memories, but I can't back the players any more because I don't trust any of them as far as I could throw them. I can't name one that I genuinely feel is an Arsenal man. Jack's loud, but let's see what happens when his crunch moment comes. Hope he proves me wrong. Don't really care that much if he proves me right. He's just a kid. I'm and adult. I don't need to run around worshipping him just because he wears a certain colour shirt. All I need to do is expect a return for the huge amounts he extracts from myself and all the other fans and (am I being crazy here) a thank you in the form of loyalty within reason. Not undying loyalty, not blood on the pitch. But if he's offered a silly amount of money to stay at the club that helped him bring his talent to the world, and by silly I mean half of what City offer which is still very, very silly - if he decides to place zero value on everything bar the money then he will deserve to be condemned. It would be right to condemn him. Just like it is 100% correct to condemn van Purse. I don't care if their careers are short, that's why they get paid 100x the normal wage every week. We work 50 years, they get paid 1,000 years equivalent and can then have a second career. Same cant be said of the pros that went before, who did know the meaning of loyalty (comparatively). So that bullshit is a red herring. They use a huge bonus aspect of their profession and pretend it can be an excuse for their behaviour. It's not.
I'm picking on Jack because his move will be as bad as van Purse's, because he's off to Utd too. We are incubating him, that's all. How can you get behind any of that and support it? The only way I can think of is if you just say, fuck it, and enjoy the football. One tiny flaw in that plan, our football is not enjoyable. It used to be. But not now. It's boring. Technical, clever, boring shit. Would be more interesting watching an engine in an Audi. Great engineering, clever, boring. And it doesn't break down every time. There's something horrible and sinister about our football. Robotic, alien to the original intention and with inferior parts so it can't achieve the despicable purpose for which it is designed.
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