Match Reaction Arsenal v/s Burnley, Nov 1

[Dein-machine]

The last point is entirely wrong. With the resources at the disposal of the Club, assuming they continue to be made available, we are and will be an incredibly attractive proposition for the world's top managers.

And that is before we even begin to consider how well we remunerated the post.

They may want to pit their wits against the best in the Champions League - we might not be there if our manager can't find a way to compete against the better sides & to stop dropping points to pub teams.

[fakeyank]

Not many, but you have to put that in the context of football at time which was pre mass internet forums/wikipedia/youtube/twitter era when football, especially in other places outside of England, was less covered and less well known. Simeone would have been considered "unknown" then. If you look at Wenger's actual record prior to joining Arsenal it was actually half decent - he did very well at Monaco.

Martinez has all the same flaws as Wenger except without some of the benefits. He's unable to sort out a defence, has little in the way of a plan B and isn't good with squad management.


The problem with going for a Martinez now is that we may end up being stuck with him when Klopp does actually become available at which point he may end up going to Man Utd (after Van Genius gets the boot) essentially making him unattainable. Keep Wenger until Klopp becomes available which I suspect will be close to when Wenger's contract runs out (i.e. two years).

Dont necessarily agree about Martinez not having a Plan B. He makes sound substitutions and makes tactical changes which make sense and have brought success. Case in point being moving Lukaku down the right against us last season. That was a masterstroke and he ran riot against the left side of our defense. When was the last time Wenger did something like that? The thing that appeals to me most about Martinez is that he took a David Moyes team which played boring dull football and made it exciting within one season.

The thing is... I would love for us to win trophies and I think Martinez can possibly do that (or at least thats my opinion). What I am fairly certain of is the fact that he will make us a good team to watch. We will play good football, play players in their best positions and actually give a F*** about the shirt. Thats all I ask really..

As for the last part of your post about waiting for Wenger's two years to be over for us to get Klopp.. I dont even want to think about it. First, because Wenger's time was up 5 seasons back... everyday is past his sell by date. He needs to go yesterday! Second, what are the chances that when Wenger's 2 years are up that Madrid or Bayern or Chelsea are not looking for a manager? So we'd end of wasting 2 years waiting for a manager who does not end up joining us!

[Master Splinter]

I f****** hate players who don't give a f*** about their shirts. Shirts are important attire. Please increase your appreciation of the shirt.

PS: you should get your head around the fact that Wenger will be here for at least the remainder of his contract. Crying and ranting and banging your hands on your virtual cot will not alter this situation, which is what Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie is fruitlessly trying to express through a series of level-headed, easy-to-understand posts.

[Dein-machine]

Dont necessarily agree about Martinez not having a Plan B. He makes sound substitutions and makes tactical changes which make sense and have brought success. Case in point being moving Lukaku down the right against us last season. That was a masterstroke and he ran riot against the left side of our defense. When was the last time Wenger did something like that? The thing that appeals to me most about Martinez is that he took a David Moyes team which played boring dull football and made it exciting within one season.

The thing is... I would love for us to win trophies and I think Martinez can possibly do that (or at least thats my opinion). What I am fairly certain of is the fact that he will make us a good team to watch. We will play good football, play players in their best positions and actually give a F*** about the shirt. Thats all I ask really..

As for the last part of your post about waiting for Wenger's two years to be over for us to get Klopp.. I dont even want to think about it. First, because Wenger's time was up 5 seasons back... everyday is past his sell by date. He needs to go yesterday! Second, what are the chances that when Wenger's 2 years are up that Madrid or Bayern or Chelsea are not looking for a manager? So we'd end of wasting 2 years waiting for a manager who does not end up joining us!

I think one of Bayern, Madrid or Chelsea should take Wenger of us - let see how they like it winning fuck all for 10 years, regularly selling their captains and best players & signing the likes of Khalstrom, Flamini & Sonogo.
Ofcourse this woudln't happen at any of these clubs because their owners wouldn't allow it - ambition, its a real fucker.

[Dein-machine]

I f****** hate players who don't give a f*** about their shirts. Shirts are important attire. Please increase your appreciation of the shirt.

PS: you should get your head around the fact that Wenger will be here for at least the remainder of his contract. Crying and ranting and banging your hands on your virtual cot will not alter this situation, which is what Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie is fruitlessly trying to express through a series of level-headed, easy-to-understand posts.

Herbert Chapman's Zombie - Level Headed

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

You say you are not pro-Wenger but you manage to work yourself in a frenzy whenever someone even hints he might not be doing a good job. Let some criticism of Wenger on these pages pass over your head and then Ill know you dont genuflect respectfully before his life size portrait each morning and whisper several prayers for his safety before you sleep at night.

He is after all a football manager Im sure even his missus accepts criticism of him goes with the territory

I don't actually really disagree with most of your criticisms of him, I just find you guys so easy to wind up because you get your knickers in a twist about the guy.

The football at the moment is pretty dire, with only Sanchez seemingly bothering

The injury crisis looms on season after season, which by default is the managers fault because either he is buying injury prone players or the players are being beasted on the training ground.

Not buying another defender seems negligent at best

But fundamentally I ask myself when invariably l'ouisseau retires will the club in terms of infrastructure be in a shambles, no actually a new manager will have for me an excellent foundation on which to build.
If that new manager comes in 2015 great, if its 2017 so be it but I think it would be totally disingenuous to think that Wenger hasn't had any influence over said infrastructure

Where as you Wenger out guys seem to be in a state of perpetual panic

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Herbert Chapman's Zombie - Level Headed

Don't laugh at my level head

Someone hit me with a shovel

[Dein-machine]

I don't actually really disagree with most of your criticisms of him, I just find you guys so easy to wind up because you get your knickers in a twist about the guy.

The football at the moment is pretty dire, with only Sanchez seemingly bothering

The injury crisis looms on season after season, which by default is the managers fault because either he is buying injury prone players or the players are being beasted on the training ground.

Not buying another defender seems negligent at best

But fundamentally I ask myself when invariably l'ouisseau retires will the club in terms of players be in a shambles, no actually a new manager will have for me an excellent foundation on which to build. If that new manager comes in 2015 great, if its 2017 so be it

Where as you Wenger out guys seem to be in a state of perpetual panic

I have been perpetually panicking for for the last decade.

[fakeyank]

I f****** hate players who don't give a f*** about their shirts. Shirts are important attire. Please increase your appreciation of the shirt.

PS: you should get your head around the fact that Wenger will be here for at least the remainder of his contract. Crying and ranting and banging your hands on your virtual cot will not alter this situation, which is what Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie is fruitlessly trying to express through a series of level-headed, easy-to-understand posts.

I understand HCZ's point but what others are trying to point out is that something wrong is happening NOW. So you can either shut up and take it up the wrong end or you could cry about it. Most likely nothing is going to happen for another 2 years but that doesnt mean you cant try. I prefer to make noise and cry about it.

As for the shirt smart ass comment.. bravo! That was original.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

You say you are not pro-Wenger but you manage to work yourself in a frenzy whenever someone even hints he might not be doing a good job. Let some criticism of Wenger on these pages pass over your head and then Ill know you dont genuflect respectfully before his life size portrait each morning and whisper several prayers for his safety before you sleep at night.

He is after all a football manager Im sure even his missus accepts criticism of him goes with the territory

Brilliant post.