Won the cup winners cup and UEFA cup though, what has he won in Europe, absolutely nothing, he's a total failure in Europe, arguably the biggest failure ever having had so many opportunities.Originally Posted by Munchies
Couldn't even with the UEFA cup when he had he chance.
If it's all the same then why do you insist of emphasising the "fake news" that we always finish 4th.
He's always had flaws of course, some people act like he only developed flaws in the latter part of his reign. The fact is he was never a great tactician, never a great motivator and his teams have always under-achieved to some degree - that side circa The Invincibles should have won 3 titles in a row and should probably have won the CL. But he's made up for those weaknesses by his strengths - fitness methods, knowledge of the worldwide game to name but two which when he came to us were revolutionary. But revolutionary ideas don't stay revolutionary, other clubs caught up and overtook us in some regards, then the billionaires stuck their beaks in just at the time when the stadium move was limiting our finances.
His strengths helped us stay relatively competitive during that era, his weaknesses stopped us from winning more trophies. Right now the money is there, it's clear that we won't win another title under Wenger. The fact we expect to be challenging for the title each year is a legacy of Wenger's time with us but we need someone else to push us on.
He clearly isn't satisfied with 2nd best. Why would he be? He's clearly competitive, you say yourself how sulky he gets when things don't go our way, why would he act like that if he wasn't bothered?
Chelsea sacked a manager who was in the process of taking the Champions into a relegation battle because of his toxic personality, say what you like about Wenger he's never sunk that low.
There really aren't. Some though, certainly. Many of the managers people on here have cited as potential replacements have crashed and burned at other clubs.plenty of better managers out there.
It's a slightly pointless argument because "many" is vague and there's no quantifiable way of saying how good a manager is.
The board are responsible for that, but I believe Wenger sets himself higher targets than he can achieve these days. The board couldn't give a monkeys how we do so long as the money keeps rolling in, Wenger at least cares.
Clubs pretty much have to be financial institutions these days. Wenger hasn't done that, Sky have. His legacy is the stadium and our standing in the worldwide game as well as the sack of trophies and the memories.
What is wrong with you?!
Just general immaturity, I think.
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I can't say I notice the difference between 2nd, 3rd, 4th to be honest, the reason for this is we're never really in the title mix, Liverpool came 2nd a few years back but were really in there with a good chance until the end, we fall away long before so for me it's all the same, we were 10 points behind Leicester last season and were never aywhere near at the tail end of the season, so the stats of where we came are pointless IMO.
We never challenge for the title, so that's not his legacy, people want him out for precisely that, he never really challenges and every year it's the same, we collapse when it matters, it's never really a challenge, likewise in the CL, we get through the group then get thumped, it's all so predictable.
His legacy could have been champagne, football, making this club great had he stopped back in 2005, unfortunately he didn't and now he's been here another 11 years (the majority of his spell with us), his legacy is making us a business whose priority is to make a profit at the end of the season at the expense of what happens on the pitch, together with tippy tappy nonsense football that is honestly less interesting than watching paint dry and a losers mentality running from top to bottom at the club.
The way I see it, he's left us with money in the bank but with a lot of issues for anyone new coming in, 20 years of Wenger is going to be hard to erase for any successor and a lot needs to be erased IMO.
You might not agree and that's fair enough but he totally ruined his legacy IMO and in the process he's done quite some damage to this club to the point that it's own fans have a dislike for it and it's own fans fight over him, find another manager who has achieved that. For me he's really drained all of the enjoyment out of watching Arsenal and I'm sure he has for a lot of others!
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So, again, if you think there's no difference why do you make a point of emphasising how we always finish 4th. Above you said "pathetic 4th place finishes". Why do that if there's no difference?
If he goes at the end of the season then people will appreciate his legacy. It's not up for you or me to define what it is but my guess is most people will appreciate what he's done for us.
I think my point is more about CL qualification being the only thing we care about or achieve, 4th place for me signifies that, it's obviously not literally 4th every season, but it may as well be.
Some will appreciate it, but many will also be happy we're rid of him after years of underachievement and pointing the blame at everyone but himself and his players. It's pretty hard to remember the great times now to be fair, it's a long time ago now a lot has changed since then and the fact he's been unable to reproduce any kind of success (unlike the best managers out there), is a massive stain on his CV because logically if you're a top manager you should be able to deliver success time and time again, not just in one spell.
It's actually hard to remember many good moments in the last 10 years.
His record in Europe is shit and he deserves to be called out on it.
Yes we know Wenger is the one who has elevated expectation and for that I'm grateful, however if the club expect us to pay the highest prices in the game then the fans are completely right to expect a team that can win the major prizes. Actually forget about winning them, just competing would be nice but we can't even do that.
Pretty much. Paying for caviar and getting potato chips, and he has the audacity to blame the fans. What a moron!
Arsene Wenger, the only football manager that got paid 8 million quid to do nothing but sit on his arse..
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