Are the glory days over for good?

[Japan Shaking All Over]

I said on a previous thread that I see both sides and the blame is more collective rather than individual.
Without a shadow of a doubt the blame for our pitch performances lie with Wenger but the fact he has been allowed to continue in the same vein is nothing but the highest case of negligence!
Due to Wengers almost immediate success the board has become blind, naive, you name it to what is going on.
As Wengers success, influence grew the boards interest in what was going on on the pitch diminished. So much so that when things started to go south they didnt know what to do then or thought they have no choice to follow the only guy who has brought success to the club mainly because he was saying that all they need to do is trust him a la the phrase 'Wenger knows'.

So what we have is a manager leading a board and a board being lead, a manager that thinks he knows more about football, success and the way to combine both than anyone in the club and a board who are still willing to listen.
We have a manager that fails to change his plan, that fails to see that other teams have him sussed, players like Carrol get license to run amok and CBs are told to pile forward every set piece, and not alwsys to score but to cause panic in our fragile defence because you can be sure we will shoot ourselves in the foot at some point. Midfields become congested and balls are played over our ridiculously high line of defence.

Do we change to combat that? Hell no! . . . .ahhhh wait a mo, yes we do! We play Theo wide instead of Arshavin
What we dont have is a manager willing to recognise failure or a board strong enough to tell him he is failing because do not tell me for all their lack of knowledge of the beautiful game that they do not see what id happening;

1) 6 years no trophy
2) constant collapses of league campaigns
3) little progress on orevious bests ie constant 4th finishes, knock out stages of of CL
4) average loss of 1 star player a season (that will change though but only because we wont have any star players)
5) and more

All of the above really supports FakeYank but for the BHs I support them vy adding we dont have a board that has the balls to slam their hand on the table and say 'enough' - they cant insist that we buy this guy or that because Wenger will just retort with his knowledge of the game but they would be wise to remind him and maybe themselves that ultimately the success of the club is what goes on on the pitch, sure they might be making a killong personally at the moment but that wont last forever especially with Cesc gone, there are no more cash cows RvP, Oxo maybe but when people start forgetting who we are as they are to a certain degree in Japan, no games for Miya, no Cesc = little interest, the board are going to have to look out.

I dont want to say sack Wenger but the board have got to state the obvious to him and that he is not getting it done, they need to be strong, no sports team allows for some much failure especially on the back of some much promise.

As I said before the two parties seem to be working to an agenda, which benefits no-one but themselves, but there is a risk, Wenger will completley destroy an increasingly tarnished legacy and the board will end up with nothing.
I honestly feel that before this happens Wenger needs to walk and take the majority of the boarf with him. . . . .

[Letters]

None of you 'board haters' EVER answer why our defense is bad, why players are out of position, why our formation sucks, why we didnt sign a player like Parker, Cahill etc.. All you 'BH' (Board haters) will say that the board stopped Arsene from spending. Ok fine, but none of the questions above needs major spending or no spending at all!

And none of you WH's concede the point that staying top 4 in the PL every year despite billionaires spending silly money, other clubs spending big too and our relative lack of investment is a pretty impressive achievement.
Some of the problems you cite above are, of course, down to Wenger. But some of you act like any idiot could keep a team in the top 4 of the PL year after year despite many clubs spending big and going through manager after manager and failing to achieve that. City and Chelsea had to spend obscene amounts of money to achieve it.

IMO it's idiotic to blame either the board or Wenger alone. If Wenger is being stubborn and refusing to spend money then the board should be insisting he does. If the board are refusing to let him spend more then Wenger's being put in an impossible situation. IMO there's blame on both sides.

[Xhaka Can’t]

And none of you WH's concede the point that staying top 4 in the PL every year despite billionaires spending silly money, other clubs spending big too and our relative lack of investment is a pretty impressive achievement.
Some of the problems you cite above are, of course, down to Wenger. But some of you act like any idiot could keep a team in the top 4 of the PL year after year despite many clubs spending big and going through manager after manager and failing to achieve that. City and Chelsea had to spend obscene amounts of money to achieve it.

IMO it's idiotic to blame either the board or Wenger alone. If Wenger is being stubborn and refusing to spend money then the board should be insisting he does. If the board are refusing to let him spend more then Wenger's being put in an impossible situation. IMO there's blame on both sides.

From that post, I think it is plain to all that you're just an 'AH' - an Arsenal Hater.

[Letters]

I'm a GFH, actually.





Gary's Face.

[GP]

LOL

[Xhaka Can’t]

Punch me in the face and I bleed Arsenal red.

Hater.

[fakeyank]

And none of you WH's concede the point that staying top 4 in the PL every year despite billionaires spending silly money, other clubs spending big too and our relative lack of investment is a pretty impressive achievement.
Some of the problems you cite above are, of course, down to Wenger. But some of you act like any idiot could keep a team in the top 4 of the PL year after year despite many clubs spending big and going through manager after manager and failing to achieve that. City and Chelsea had to spend obscene amounts of money to achieve it.

IMO it's idiotic to blame either the board or Wenger alone. If Wenger is being stubborn and refusing to spend money then the board should be insisting he does. If the board are refusing to let him spend more then Wenger's being put in an impossible situation. IMO there's blame on both sides.

Again, the point is that NONE of my questions were answered. Yes, he kept us in the top 4 but with very minor tweaks, we couldve easily won a major trophy. And those minor tweaks are in the questions I asked above. The board cannot and I repeat cannot.. again, I repeat CANNOT organize the defense or make them defend better or play play Bendtner, Eduardo, Vela, Diaby down the middle.. Board cannot make AW buy a defensive coach!

Also very few Arsenal fans have actually asked for billions of dollars to be spent on players. All we are asking is to spend the money we generate from our income, fuck that, that seems hard, at least spend the money you make off of selling players!! Now, this is the part where the BH's will come in and say "the board tied AW's hands and took the money by themselves and wiped their arse with it".. well no, in fact FUCK NO, that is very far away from the truth. How do I know? AW stated himself that he'd not stay a day longer if there was interference from board or owner. So if PHW were to come and say to AW "Arsene, we cant spend 6 million on Parker coz I need to buy a new jet", I cant see Arsene just looking at that old cow and going "Zure, would you like to fuck me as well?"

Lets take the point of view of the BH's and say Arsene is a nice guy and he wont walk out of his contract... well, he didnt need to sign one a couple of years ago if the board was destroying his legacy season after season. Why did he sign a new contract? Well, coz he is a stubborn cunt who wanted to prove to the world that his bunch of toddlers can win the league and that he will be hailed as the new messiah of football.. well, we can all see where that is going...

[Letters]

Again, the point is that NONE of my questions were answered.

I said those things were mostly Wenger's fault

Yes, he kept us in the top 4 but with very minor tweaks, we couldve easily won a major trophy.

I know. Again, Wenger's fault. But you're again dismissing how hard it is to keep a club in the top 4, especially in the era of billionaire owners.

Wenger's made mistakes, some of which he should have been sacked for. But to dismiss the last 5 years as a COMPLETE failure and say that any idiot could have kept us top 4 is idiotic. And, again, if you think it's just Wenger being stubborn and refusing to spend money then the board should have been harder with him and insisted he invest more. They're his boss, you can't completely absolve them from responsibility.

[Flavs]

Personally i would like to see more blame laid on the players. They seem to be the ones who escape all but the match day criticism here for some reason. I know that the AH's will just lay it all on the big man but come on, he set the team out and the tactics (sort of) but he isn't on the pitch missing tackles and jumping under the ball and and so on. Yes you can say "well he is in charge of training" but training isn't the same as match time.

You can prepare individuals as much as you like but if they just don't bother when they are on the pitch (That's Wenger's fault!)what can you do? Drop them you say, well we cant as we have to many injuries (That's Wenger's fault!) We also, despite the opinions of some on here, replace world class players with kids who have never played (That's Wenger's fault!)

If you watch his behaviour on the sidelines he is as pissed off as us, these players who came in at the end of the window (That's he board's fault!) haven't had time to settle in yet so they will make mistakes, which leads all the internet experts to say they are shit and a waste of money, money which we could have spent on really good players like Hazard and M'Vila and Pele and Cliff Bastin, which of course misses the point completely (Which i am sure is the Board or Wenger's fault as well)

Strange things are going on at the club at the moment and none of us is party to why (That's probably my fault) None of us know what the direction and strategy of the club are (That's' probably god's fault) and none of us know what Wenger is doing with the first team (That's Pat Rice's fault) but many are taking information and making wild theories from it, 1+1 = Potato, combine that with a lot of grudge bearing and grumpiness and its all so cloudy that we are clueless.

So my Theory is this, Not getting the players up for it and tactics - Wenger's fault
The players we have, the players we don't have, the money issues, the commercial and PR bollocks - The boards fault
The nonsense, half arsed, piss poor performances since the Newcastle comedy - The players fault
Everything else I blame on Fakeyank

[Letters]

I'd go along with that.
The players don't get enough of the blame IMO. They're the ones out there.
The AH's will say that Wenger's the boss so the buck stops with him.
But the board are Wenger's boss so surely the same logic applies.
It's far too simplistic to say it's all Wenger's fault.