Random Arsenal Shit (When it's not worth starting a thread)

[Marc Overmars]

Wenger.

Legacy in tatters.

[HCZ]

Nothing Dixon has said is a surprise, it’s exactly the same things I hear about Ancelotti and that’s why I’m quite lukewarm on him.

Adams has been saying it for years and the Wenger knows best clowns treated him like a bitter alcoholic

In terms of defensive players especially he’d had no idea what he’s doing. Although it’s also fair to say he made Thierry Henry the player he was in a way that Carlo Ancelotti couldn’t when he had him at Juventus.

I doubt he’d have changed anything about him technically or improved aspects of his game but he saw something in him that others clearly didn’t. And that’s why Henry won’t call for him to go now even though he knows he’s toast.

It’s fair to say his three titles amount to far more than just being in the right time at the right place. But if you were a defender apart from the personal trainer regime it’s unlikely Wenger did anything for you.

[Niall_Quinn]

Wenger.

Legacy in tatters.

Bloody sad. But you can't help somebody who won't help himself.

[Master Splinter]

Whilst I don’t disagree I find the Ox example strange

Maybe I’m not seeing the same things as other people are but he doesn’t seem a remarkably better player at Liverpool, maybe I’m being unfair and he will need time.

Maybe he isn’t that great to begin with. And I’m saying that as someone who loved the Ox when he was with us

Yeah, Oxlade is Oxlade. A slightly quicker Milner, with more skillz but less discipline. Or more aptly, he's just another Barkley or Bentley. He's had about three decent games for Liverpool.

[Letters]

Wenger.

Legacy in tatters.

His legacy is the stadium and the fact that we regard 6th place as a massive failure.
Again, read Fever Pitch if you're too young to remember when were properly shite.

BUT, he has stayed too long and last season's FA Cup was his last chance to get out with some dignity. Soon as he signed that contract he needed to properly challenge or GTFO. So far he's done neither.

[Niall_Quinn]

Nothing Dixon has said is a surprise, it’s exactly the same things I hear about Ancelotti and that’s why I’m quite lukewarm on him.

Adams has been saying it for years and the Wenger knows best clowns treated him like a bitter alcoholic

In terms of defensive players especially he’d had no idea what he’s doing. Although it’s also fair to say he made Thierry Henry the player he was in a way that Carlo Ancelotti couldn’t when he had him at Juventus.

It’s fair to say his three titles amount to far more than just being in the right time at the right place. But if you were a defender apart from the personal trainer regime it’s unlikely Wenger did anything for you.

No, no, no. Thierry Henry made Thierry Henry the player he was. Wenger opened the door for him.

Glorified doorman too? A jack-of-all-menial-trades.

Nobody is disputing the fact Wenger did transform certain aspects of the club and football in general. But as a football coach there's as much proof available that Adams, Vieira, Bergkamp, Henry and Co were the main drivers behind success on the pitch as Wenger ever was. In fact it's becoming increasingly more likely George Graham's back five and the advantages Wenger brought in his understanding of the French leagues opened the way for the players we now call legends to push us to the new heights we enjoyed on the pitch. These guys were so good they succeeded despite Wenger's lack of ability as a coach. Isn't that a more plausible explanation?

[Niall_Quinn]

His legacy is the stadium and the fact that we regard 6th place as a massive failure.
Again, read Fever Pitch if you're too young to remember when were properly shite.

BUT, he has stayed too long and last season's FA Cup was his last chance to get out with some dignity. Soon as he signed that contract he needed to properly challenge or GTFO. So far he's done neither.

Everyone hates the poxy stadium. Arsenal has died in that stadium, and it has been a primary cause of the demise. It has delivered nothing except higher ticket prices and more tourists. So he'd better hope the whole stadium disaster is not his legacy.

And why wouldn't the fans paying top prices consider a distant 6th place as anything other than disaster? What should it be considered as?

And what does it matter if we were once properly shite? Not properly shite enough to ever get relegated, can I use that like you are using the 6th place "disaster' thing? Football was different back then. We may not have been winning titles until George Graham appeared, but we still pitched up in the FA Cup enough times, and isn't winning that supposed to be a sign of success?

[Marc Overmars]

No, no, no. Thierry Henry made Thierry Henry the player he was. Wenger opened the door for him.

Glorified doorman too? A jack-of-all-menial-trades.

Nobody is disputing the fact Wenger did transform certain aspects of the club and football in general. But as a football coach there's as much proof available that Adams, Vieira, Bergkamp, Henry and Co were the main drivers behind success on the pitch as Wenger ever was. In fact it's becoming increasingly more likely George Graham's back five and the advantages Wenger brought in his understanding of the French leagues opened the way for the players we now call legends to push us to the new heights we enjoyed on the pitch. These guys were so good they succeeded despite Wenger's lack of ability as a coach. Isn't that a more plausible explanation?

People don't like revisionism but I think it's now important we look back on his successes armed with the knowledge we have now.

[Niall_Quinn]

People don't like revisionism but I think it's now important we look back on his successes armed with the knowledge we have now.

If only to try and figure out why he's now so inept at everything he touches. It's not good enough to say the game moved on but he didn't and just accept that. Why didn't he move too? Why did he watch the game moving for a decade and do fuck all to react? What happened to his great powers that he supposedly has to bring through young talent and build title challenging teams despite a lack of resources? These powers have been tested and he's come up lacking every time. So this means something very significant has affected his capabilities over the intervening years, or he never possessed these capabilities in the first place. And if the latter is true then we need to give a bit more respect to those who deserve it and stand back a bit from those who have been basking in the credit. Basking in the credit to the degree fans who question any of this are called disloyal. And basking to the point where he's been give extra years that he'd never have been granted at any other club.

[Cripps]

88 per cent of AST voted for Arsenal ending Wenger contract this summer. Last season (first they surveyed fans on topic) 78 per cent voted against a new deal for manager.

2 more years then