Wenger must go end of the season

[Marc Overmars]

In terms of man management at least, Mourinho is miles better than Wenger and could probably squeeze more from the team when it's time to deliver.

Of course he has been backed financially at every club he's been at, something he wouldn't get on the same level here.

[Alpha]

I would have gone with that way of thinking - did go along with that for the last few years - in the belief that in time we would recover the situation. However, the master plan that Wenger seemed to have has not acheived the result. I was OK going along with it - the idea of building a new team with new young talent, forming something that could last for several years at the top was a nice idea. However, the last couple of years have shown it is just not going to work. There was no backbone in the team when things went wrong, some players were being given far too long and far too many chances to see if they would finally perform.

When we got to the end of the last season and Wenger said we would have to change the approach then I was still OK with that. However, the words have not been matched by actions. I don't say this because of the 8-2 at manu, or even losing to manu at home as well. The problem is that we are still failing in the same area. Not losing to other top teams sometimes - all the top teams do that. What has caused us to fall short year after year is the failure to show consistent results against the 'lesser' teams. The odd glitch is not important - all top sides throw an occasionaly wobbler and lose to someone that on paper they should have trashed. However, we are failing to do this time and again and this has been going on for years. And the common obvious factor to me is failing to finish. We do fancy footwork and piss around with the ball with great impressive displays sometimes, but when it comes to the crunch, i.e. putting the ball in the net, we are just not doing it. And sadly, the league is based on points and that means scoring more goals than the other team.

Which is what I said in the previous post. Wenger seems to be doing nothing about this situation and shows no sign of doing it. For that reason, I'm out.

You may be right at some extent . Wenger will not be at Arsenal for ever . People however great they are , they come and go . Wenger will certainly have a time to call it a day . But we must also think of what would happen after Wenger . If we are not sure of getting anything better than we have why not keep the same situation for a while .Booing Wenger was good as waking call . To send a message to the whole Board that fans are finally fed up with what is going on at the club . That clear message will bring changes . Everywhere you go leaders always think the mass are blind and fool .But when the mass wakes up and tell the leaders enough is enough that's where the changes start . I don't think wenger will accept getting booed every day . He will either go or change his tactics to improve . Will he prefer to go ? I doubt it because he will never find a team to be as comfortable as at Arsenal . But let's see what happen next . Wenger still has the support of the board . They are not ready to part with him as he takes all the blame for the them .

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Wenger would fail in madrid and be sacked within a season

You have no way of knowing that unless you mean winning the league which jose has struggled to do.

[Fats]

You have no way of knowing that unless you mean winning the league which jose has struggled to do.

Id put my house on it

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Id put my house on it

He have a better chance to win the cl with them then Jose did with us tbh, he have more of a chance to win the league over there then over here.

As for Jose thank feck it will never happen don't want thay cretin anywhere near this club. Let him feck off to spuds, mind you same can be said for the cretin in charge now.

[Syn]

I think to out-perform this current Barcelona team is almost impossible. If Real Madrid win the league I think it'll be the first time that I've ever seen such a clear example of the best team not winning. People say the 'league table doesn't lie' but if Barca don't win, it will have lied. Mourinho's a prick but he brings results. I used to hate Mourinho but I find it hard to dislike him now. He's a petulant child but if he came to Arsenal (he won't) I think he would thrive with the 'us against the world' mentality. Not saying he'd have the impact Wenger had late 90s but we'd do much better.

But as I said he's not a realistic choice because he'd never want to manage us. My first choice would be Spalletti. My second choice would be that Dortmund manager.

[Marc Overmars]

You may be right at some extent . Wenger will not be at Arsenal for ever . People however great they are , they come and go . Wenger will certainly have a time to call it a day . But we must also think of what would happen after Wenger . If we are not sure of getting anything better than we have why not keep the same situation for a while ..

There are no guarantees about anything. Everyone who wants him gone also understand the club would then undergo a huge transition without it being clear whether we'd be better or not. The point is, people are just fed up of what's been goin on for the best part of 5 years now. The fact you'd be willing to just continue on like this just shows how Wenger has arguably become bigger than the club.

Just because there isn't an obvious solution doesn't mean one doesn't exist. If you stand still you inevitably get left behind and that's happening to us right now.

[Fist of Lehmann]

Realistically what would we see with a different manager?

Are the board going to back this hypothetical new guy with more money? Or any money? Kroenke has already stated he's happy with the way the club is run and isn't looking to make any significant changes in that dept. And why should he? We are one of the few profit making clubs on the planet, and this is someone who invested his money, not for love, but for money.

And btw, anyone who thinks Usmanov is not motivated by money should bear in mind that when he bought shares he described us, not as a great club with an illustrious history and a massive potential to win things, but as a "nice portfolio addition".

Given that, what would a new manager have to play with? In raw materials, the same bunch of players, in money, the 5th largest wage bill in the Premiership. In terms of tactics and coaching, a different approach.

A new man can, and probably would re-balance the wage structure. More money at the top end, and less money for the second string. Logically that would mean that we would be able to attract better first choice 11 players, but worse second string. A better first 11 sounds great, until you consider our injury record and how reliant we are on the certain sections of the squad.

This year, fullbacks. Last year, centre backs. The year before, centre forwards.

According to Lady Arse we lead the league in injuries again. We've invested heavily in a new cutting edge medical centre last year, but we're yet to reap the rewards.

This will all be magically solved of course if you believe that it is Arsene's training methods, style of play or over-reliance on certain players are the cause (over-reliance which can only be exacerbated by having a large discrepancy between 1st 11 and 2nd string).

To sum up, dunno really.

[selassie]

phillipe auclair mentioned this a few months ago, that talks were happening and he was in place to take over in a year or two. obviously things have changed.

If he did take over at PSG it would be interesting to see if he changes his stance on buying or sticks to his current method and refuses to buy.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

If he did take over at PSG it would be interesting to see if he changes his stance on buying or sticks to his current method and refuses to buy.

Depends if his board want instant success though is it not. He have no excuse not to spend over there and he not be on a tight budget.