Match Reaction Chelsea Away PL 2016-17 season

[Globalgunner]

Wenger is the man who is incapable of climbing the highest mountains. Yet keeps insisting he must lead every new expedition. Failure guaranteed even before the equipment orders are made.

The main problem with this team is the mentality...basically it is a losing mentality that seeps from the owner down to the kit person. The only people that still pursue excellence at this club seem to be the groundsmen. We still have the best pitch, maybe in the world. Real Madrid came recruiting our groundsmen recently.

Pussification to use a current wordplay. That is the disease that has enveloped this club. A bunch of pussies with Wenger being the top Cat. Every other team in the league would have had someone...anyone run into Hazard yesterday and brought him down. Hopefully outside the box but at lest run with him and jockey him off the ball. Instead they all flick their legs at him like featherdusters as he slaloms through. Its not even a new disease it has been part of our make ip since even the invincibles. Dembele also ran right through us earlier this season and Giggs most famously did it in 1999.

Our central DM, Coq gets brushed off by Hazard like some undernourished teen and as soon as that happens, the whole team gets frozen like mannequins, scared of the outcome and unable to do anything to prevent it. Happens every time.

[Niall_Quinn]

It's the same point Marc made earlier and why I say it deepens the divide that may surpass the Wenger era. But I also said the Board have to make the right call and bring in a manager that everyone can get behind. If try to gamble with a wildcard, we may see a repeat of the same BS.

The same board that takes to the newspapers to express their disbelief at the attitude of the fans who "never had it so good"? These people don't speak the same language, don't read the same book and will never be on the same page as the fans. So whatever they decide will be the precise opposite of what the fans feel should be done to move the club forward. And people may say the fans don't know all the details of what goes on behind the scenes and that's true. But whatever is going on, the senior people at the club get paid a shit load to sort these things out and translate their efforts to results on the pitch and they don't do that. All their effort is poured into results on the balance sheet and that's not going to change when they make a decision on the manager. Anyway, they already told us what their ideal scenario is - Wenger to stay forever.

[Niall_Quinn]

Wenger is the man who is incapable of climbing the highest mountains. Yet keeps insisting he must lead every new expedition. Failure guaranteed even before the equipment orders are made.

The main problem with this team is the mentality...basically it is a losing mentality that seeps from the owner down to the kit person. The only people that still pursue excellence at this club seem to be the groundsmen. We still have the best pitch, maybe in the world. Real Madrid came recruiting our groundsmen recently.

Pussification to use a current wordplay. that is the disease that have enveloped this club. A bunch of pussies with Wenger being the top Cat. Every other team in the league would have had someone...anyone run into Hazard yesterday and brought him down. Hopefully outside the box but at lest run with him and jockey him off the ball. Instead they all flick their legs at him like featherdusters as he slaloms through. Its not even a new disease it has been part of our make ip since even the invincibles. Dembele also ran right through us earlier this season and Giggs most famously did it in 1999.

Our central D, Coq gets brushed off by Hazard like some undernourished teen and as soon as that happens, the whole team gets frozen like mannequins, scared of the outcome and unable to do anything to prevent it. Happens every time.

I have heard this a lot, that Coquelin's role was to bring Hazard down. I know that's how it works in the league but if we accept and encourage this then we can't really complain when Alonso smashed Bellerin in the face. Alonso did what it takes to win, fair or foul, and he got his reward. Probably we'd have been won a net reward if Coquelin had cheated. Unfortunately in football two cheats often do make it fair. But let's remember it's cheating in the end. It would be a lot better if Wenger taught the defenders how to defend, or brought in somebody who could do that job without strings attached. But that's never going to happen.

[Globalgunner]

I have heard this a lot, that Coquelin's role was to bring Hazard down. I know that's how it works in the league but if we accept and encourage this then we can't really complain when Alonso smashed Bellerin in the face. Alonso did what it takes to win, fair or foul, and he got his reward. Probably we'd have been won a net reward if Coquelin had cheated. Unfortunately in football two cheats often do make it fair. But let's remember it's cheating in the end. It would be a lot better if Wenger taught the defenders how to defend, or brought in somebody who could do that job without strings attached. But that's never going to happen.

There is an easy to define line between defensive play and a forearm smash in the face. Players like Gilberto knew how to play the DM role with nary a yellow card to his entire career. You have to simply make it your intent to dispossess your opponent of the ball within the laws. Run with him, shoulder barge him. All allowed in the rules of the game. You dont have to be a scrote like Ramires or Paul Scholes to be effective. As nasty as he could sometimes be I would not class Roy Keane as a dirty player. Its also not about size either. Kante and Makalele are both under 5`5". You need to know what you are doing. Unfortunately at Arsenal we all know who does the teaching.

[Power n Glory]

I have heard this a lot, that Coquelin's role was to bring Hazard down. I know that's how it works in the league but if we accept and encourage this then we can't really complain when Alonso smashed Bellerin in the face. Alonso did what it takes to win, fair or foul, and he got his reward. Probably we'd have been won a net reward if Coquelin had cheated. Unfortunately in football two cheats often do make it fair. But let's remember it's cheating in the end. It would be a lot better if Wenger taught the defenders how to defend, or brought in somebody who could do that job without strings attached. But that's never going to happen.

That's actually a fair point. Hence why I'm not getting carried away with that first goal.

[Niall_Quinn]

There is an easy to define line between defensive play and a forearm smash in the face. Players like Gilberto knew how to play the DM role with nary a yellow card to his entire career. You have to simply make it your intent to dispossess your opponent of the ball within the laws. Run with him, shoulder barge him. All allowed in the rules of the game. You dont have to be a scrote like Ramires or Paul Scholes to be effective. As nasty as he could sometimes be I would not class Roy Keane as a dirty player. Its also not about size either. Kante and Makalele are both under 5`5". You need to know what you are doing. Unfortunately at Arsenal we all know who does the teaching.

That's how I ultimately view it too. Yes, players need to take responsibility and players can make mistakes, but the rate at which our players make mistakes or don't even get into a position to make a mistake because they are exposed, 30 yards up the pitch, has to come back to one man. Same as with the players who go missing in games. It's unacceptable for players to take the day off on match day, especially when they are on the pitch. But this hasn't caused Wenger any real concern over the past decade as he's watched the likes of Theo Walcott get 3 touches in a game, or more recently watched Giroud strolling around. Now people say Ozil goes missing. Why is this strange or unexpected? That has been an open option for a long time under Wenger. Turn up when you want, go missing when you want. You'll still get picked and all that will really happen is Wenger will do an interview and say we lacked little bit sharpness. He's such a fuck up of a manger. In all respects related to what happens on the training ground, in the dressing room and on the pitch. As a bank manager, well I concede, he's a genius.

[Power n Glory]

There is an easy to define line between defensive play and a forearm smash in the face.

What's the difference between this and what happened yesterday?

[Niall_Quinn]

What's the difference between this and what happened yesterday?

The ridiculous hairstyle, for a start.

[Globalgunner]

What's the difference between this and what happened yesterday?

The difference would be if the opposition player was concussed and had to be replaced

[Power n Glory]

The difference would be if the opposition player was concussed and had to be replaced

BS. So if Bellerin got up a played on it's no foul? Or alternatively, Giroud scores that goal and the ref checks on the Janmaat but rules it out for a foul because the player looks dazed.