Wenger Referendum: Yes Or No

[Power n Glory]

I think there are people on this board who are quite vitriolic towards Wenger, and whilst this doesn't offend my personal sensibilities i tend to be less inclined to take any real interest in what they have to say. I haven't directed my comments at you personally, but i don't think i am attacking a straw man either.
I also think a lot of responses to what i have had to say has been directed at me like i am pro-wenger or a wenger apologist, but i am also quite conservative and risk adverse and i have quite consistently stated that i don't want someone to come in who has no previous experience of winning major silverware and managing at the top level (i.e champions league) therefore for me the "name that manager" game as you call it would be crucial to my decision making.
But and this is the important point it's all academic, unless he relegates us or gets arrested in relation to Op Yewtree investigations he is with us till 2017; it was a poor decision by the board but unfortunately we have to live with it.

There is no decision to make on this one. It's just your feeling on how the manager is doing and whether it's time he calls it a day. That's what the poll is about. The OP said he didn't want this sort of debate and talk of the details of who we get and when. Just a simple yes or no. As things progress, I'm sure they'll be further debates but I seriously doubt we'll know how the process will go when it's time for him to walk. In most cases, you just don't know whose available as manager until someone is sacked or leaves. That's usually very late in the day.

As for the language used on here towards Wenger.....you're talking to football fans! We have guys on here that have no problem calling refs and linesmen 'cunts', bent, or whatever else when a decision doesn't go our way. Our own players aren't even spared. From Diaby to Wilshere to Ramsey if they're having a bad day. Former players that served us well are cast aside even. Sometimes I disagree with what's been said as well but I never assume it's personal. It's cool if you don't take an interest in what they say, but that seems the opposite from where I'm sitting because you seem to know a lot of the common things said on here.

[Power n Glory]

That's the problem with this country, we are always so concerned about stopping people from committing suicide....as long as he's not inconveniencing anyone else let him do it

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

There is no decision to make on this one. It's just your feeling on how the manager is doing and whether it's time he calls it a day. That's what the poll is about.

For me my judgement on whether he should call it a day is based completely on who we had in mind to replace him with, making it much like the referendum that was held yesterday i imagine a lot of people who voted No didn't do so out of any love for the Union or any desire to call themselves British instead of Scottish it's just they weren't convinced by the alternative and played it safe.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

As for the language used on here towards Wenger.....you're talking to football fans! We have guys on here that have no problem calling refs and linesmen 'cunts', bent, or whatever else when a decision doesn't go our way. Our own players aren't even spared. From Diaby to Wilshere to Ramsey if they're having a bad day. Former players that served us well are cast aside even. Sometimes I disagree with what's been said as well but I never assume it's personal. It's cool if you don't take an interest in what they say, but that seems the opposite from where I'm sitting because you seem to know a lot of the common things said on here.

Like i said it doesn't in any way offend me, i just find myself less interested in someone's argument if it's not articulated well. We all call the players unspeakable things out of frustration, it's not really a cojent argument though it's vitriolic abuse. It doesn't bother me that it's that, vitriolic abuse is fun and allows people to vent their frustrations....but it certainly isn't persuasive in any shape or form.

[Niall_Quinn]

For me my judgement on whether he should call it a day is based completely on who we had in mind to replace him with, making it much like the referendum that was held yesterday i imagine a lot of people who voted No didn't do so out of any love for the Union or any desire to call themselves British instead of Scottish it's just they weren't convinced by the alternative and played it safe.

I think they voted no mostly because they are stupid, cowardly, grovelling cunts.

[Maestro]

So you've voted for independence, too bad Mugabe is not budging!

Some really interesting debate generated and quite a few home truths regards WUMget's performance review. I am convinced Wenger is GWer, how else could he be the best WUM in the business. I love the bastard immensely, but the post below from MOe best describes my opinion.

PS* If we sacked WUmget at the end of a season there would be no shortage of really good managers queueing up to take that job, so let's not scaremonger please. It's really down to the people charged with replacing him making the right decision.

I felt he should have left with his head held high after the cup win, however I think he also deserved a chance to spend some of the new money that wasn't previously available to him. There was some cause for optimism after winning the cup and landing a player like Sanchez but it seems like we're not really much stronger as a team, arguably weaker right now thanks to the regression of a defence that was previously ok.

He shot himself in the foot in the transfer window, for the first time in years he had backing from the masses but now he's back to square one. Not signing adequate numbers in defence was just plain foolish and he completely missed a trick by not bringing Cesc back or at least finding an upgrade on Flamini/Arteta.

We're consistently exposed against sides of quality and even the lesser teams are able to really get stuck into us. There is no tactical nous, the team play like they've just been told to go out there and do their thing, they start every match like they're on auto-pilot and only seem to react when they've been caught cold. Why does he persist with such an ineffective style of play? We have a fair bit of pace now and Giroud is out of the picture, so why not mix things up. Square pegs in round holes everywhere hoping to replicate some sort of lite version of tiki-taka.

The problem is the man doesn't give a damn about we think, if anything the more we complain about something the more he'll turn a blind eye to it. He's too far gone and stuck in his ways, there's nothing progressive or innovative about what he's doing anymore, it's stale and there are a host of younger managers who have more going for them now. People say we couldn't have signed someone like Ozil without him which is true, but what good is that when he can't even extract the required quality out of him. That guy looks like an absolute shell of a player under Wenger's management, not too dissimilar to other previously highly rated players who have been and gone over the past 5-6 years.

He's been a top manager for us but unless there is dramatic success coming over the next 3 years, he's going to leave with his legacy tarnished and that's just sad because he is a great man who has put this club in a position we couldn't have dreamed about 20 years ago.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

So you've voted for independence, too bad Mugabe is not budging!

Some really interesting debate generated and quite a few home truths regards WUMget's performance review. I am convinced Wenger is GWer, how else could he be the best WUM in the business. I love the bastard immensely, but the post below from MOe best describes my opinion.

PS* If we sacked WUmget at the end of a season there would be no shortage of really good managers queueing up to take that job, so let's not scaremonger please. It's really down to the people charged with replacing him making the right decision.

No-one is scare mongering, i am not saying we should keep Wenger because we won't get in a top manager, i am saying Wenger should go IF we can get in a top manager.

[Kano]

No-one is scare mongering, i am not saying we should keep Wenger because we won't get in a top manager, i am saying Wenger should go IF we can get in a top manager.

That's not really part of the debate we can explore much as fans. Knowledge contained behind closed doors will always be ahead of what we know out here. Who is available and who isn't really something we can base this decision on. The only sensible criteria is to look Wenger's management over the past few years. We can't guarantee the next guy will be better even if he has a proven record elsewhere. The only single guarantee is that Wenger will not change. Remember we knew nothing about this guy before he utterly transformed our club.

[Globalgunner]

I think they voted no mostly because they are stupid, cowardly, grovelling cunts.

Not as cowardly as the myopic dunderheads on here who know Wenger is the main problem at the club but don't want him to leave simply because he brings the guarantee of 4th place. To what end is the 4th place? because we are never going to win the CL under him. More to the point, his continued ineptitude in this competition brings the whole rationale of the 4th place into jeopardy. Currently EPL, La Liga and the Bundesliga have 4 places. Serie A lost 1 place to the bundesliga as Italian teams started to toil. The same could happen here If we continue to flounder, all it takes is for 1 Italian team to probably reach the final or win it for the EPL card to be marked. The very thing we hold dear above all could be our Waterloo. It would be better for the English league for us to drop out and a team with the means and manager to take our place.

Sadly I dont think, even 5th place would be enough for the man to resign, he doesn't have enough pride for that and will probably still see out his contract

[Munchies]

He needs to stop signing players and pushing them where they aren't able to play in.

Just look at Arshavin.

Same thing happening to Ozil