He actually stood up, smiled slightly, clapped 4 times and gave a very small fist pump for the first goal. Second goal he was already standing up, he clapped a few times, very small fist pump and that was that. Job done.Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
Neither goal was celebrated like we'd "just won the Champions League" (which is how Zim described it).
You caught the Jame's (Gunnerblog) post and what IBK posted recently, right? I think the argument is misrepresented by Arseblog. A lot of people are just sick of seeing the same thing and want a change. We need confirmation that it is actually the Board holding us back and then we can take it from there if that's the case. At the moment, we have a manger that isn’t challenging them and that’s wrong. I doubt many think it will be a magical fix but it's a risk worth taking because we've gone around the block with this one long enough and exhausted all options except one.
Also, I don't think Gazidis is 100% behind Wenger. When Ivan said Wenger’s job depends on his ‘approval ratings’ with the fans, Ivan was taking a lot of heat for our failings. I don’t think Gazidis was speaking for the Board. I said years back when Gazidis announced that we had money to spend and spelt it out in plain terms, it put the spotlight firmly on Wenger. He gave an example of the type of player we could afford a long with the wages we could afford. Nothing coy or ambiguous said to leave the fans uncertain of what the new deals meant for the club. He’s a smart guy because he was always having to answer questions from fans or during the AGM of how much we had to spend and whether the figures PHW would come out with for the annual ‘war chest’ story included wages and transfers. So the £70m they were always talking about looked a lot less when you include wages with that figure. There was so much speculation when it came to our finances and Ivan killed the speculation. That’s why the focus has been on Wenger for the last 4 years.
Wenger created the rod for his own back. His argument was always that we didn’t have the money to compete. That argument has been blown out the water because not only has he had more money to spend, teams making a lot less than us have won league titles here and across Europe. The argument from most fans before was that the Board need to release more funds to the manager. That’s happened. Now it seems like the goal post has shifted slightly to now people wanting the Board to take the reins from Wenger or have him fired. For those that revere Wenger and say the Board are at fault for not pulling the trigger, it just seems a little hypocritical because most people with that view have only just come to the conclusion that Wenger needs to go recently. Maybe it’s taken longer for Board to see that Wenger’s time has come and especially if we have members that seem disconnected from fan sentiment and under the impression that everyone loves him. It makes no sense for sites last Arseblog or others that blame the Board to tell protesters to shut up about Wenger when it’s clear that the Board are the ones oblivious to his flaws. Protests against Ivan and Stan won’t change anything. It’s an unclear message. We don’t need them to give Wenger more money, we don’t need them to tell Wenger to ‘try harder’, a change to the infrastructure would be great but we’ve already seen how quickly Jonker walked away….the message we need to send them is that Wenger has to go.
There are arguments that Gazidis once unshackled might be an effective chief executive once Wenger is gone, that remains to be seen.
If the next guy is just muddling along like Wenger and making Kroenke money, i don't believe Gazidis is going to have any more power to sanction or even fire the new guy than he has with Wenger.
So that to degree i'm not sure Gazidis not taking the board line is really of much relevance. I hope i'm wrong but whilst Kroenke is involved with the club we are in the same boat and we are dependent on the manager themselves admitting that it's not working.
But don't get me wrong we won't know for sure until Wenger is gone, and to that end that has to be the no1 priority
Yes they are, he's not a fan at all, hence the reason he really doesn't understand their concerns at all and comes out with things like not being able to judge based on a couple weeks etc etc
He's doing his job and getting job satisfaction he's not a fan or anything of the sort, a fan wouldn't settle for 4th and be proud of it every season.
He's played his part I don't deny that, but he's also played his part in what we are today, which IMO isn't a much of a football club anymore, we're a business if anything, so that's part of his legacy as well, you can't just ignore the larger part of his career with us.
It's been alluded, Wenger this, Wenger that, Wenger is so great, we have so much to thank him for. I differ in my opinion, it's a two way street, he's done some great things we should be very happy about, he's also done some bad things we shouldn't...but more importantly he should thank us because he's got a lot out of the relationship with the club and don't just mean financially.
Last edited by Özim; 08-03-2017 at 02:59 PM.
Fair enough, personally thought considering it was against a non league team with part timers it was hardly anything to be thrilled about, but hey ho.
With all due respect, this is nonsense, you want us to win and him to go? That will absolutely never happen, be realistic...the only way he will go and things will change is if things are going wrong. I want change and that change will only happen if things aren't working, the guy is as good as superglued to the marble halls of this club.
I was obviously being OTT when I said that, why do you insist on taking everything I say so literally? That's about as animated as Wenger gets on the sidelines so my point stands.
I want him gone BECAUSE the results are not coming, no other reason. I want him gone because things aren't working, if things were working if the results were coming i would want him to stay.
For example When he signed a new contract in 2014 i knew he'd be here until 2017, so what's the alternative to hoping for the best?
I want him gone because they haven't worked for 10+ years, we never compete for the top prizes and see the same failings every season, we're poor in the transfer market, our medical team is hopeless and our youth team average, on top of that our football is very boring.
It depends what you deem to be working, the above and qualifying for the CL and winning an FA cup is not "working" for me, competing for the top prizes, unpredictability, excitement, a positibe transfer policy and flexibility is.
Managers don't always stay for their contracts, look at Ranieri.....if think don't work they more often than not get the sack, just because he says he's stating doesn't mean it has to be the case. As for hoping, there is no hope, that's part of the problem.
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