Match Reaction vs Stoke City (away)

[Özim]

At the end of the day you don't go to games, you don't take part in any active protest yourself and yet you feel content to tell people how they should be responding. The Arsenal fan tv reaction was match reaction to the game vs Stoke, it wasn't reaction to being asked at the 1,000th of asking is Wenger a cunt?.

If you're honestly telling me that Wenger would have got sacked last year if only the fans were vocal enough you out of you're fucking mind. At the end of the day this season as it stands, Wengers future is still up in the air and I would say that's in no small way due to fan protests and the organisation of fan groups, which you Zim have contributed fuck all towards.

As I said to you before, if you think the fans should be more vociferous towards Wenger you should perhaps show them how it's done. But I suspect it's easier for you to stand back and be a dickhead.

So what? Doesn't stop me having an opinion I'll say what I like and noone can tell me what I am and I'm not entitled to say. As NQ pointed out for the 1000th time, match reaction or not it makes little difference it's all about whether the pressure is off the manager and club and it is.

Is Wengers future up in the air or has it been decided and are they just waiting for the season to end to announce it, they way I see it only a big effort from the fans could have any influence on this and it seems to me tha'ts gone up in a cloud of smoke, yes there was some bad feeling when we went on a horrible losing run but a lot of that has disappeared now, despite the fact you just put it down to "celebrating a win".

At the end of the day I don't go to matches and don't line their pockets, ultimately that's what keeps this regime going, if they didn't turn up you can bet your bottom dollar Wenger wouldn't still be there, so yes matchday fans have to make a stand otherwise nothing will change.

Oh and your petty insults really undermines your argument.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I've never said you can't say whatever you want

I just happen to think telling people what they should or should not be doing when you haven't lifted a finger towards the end of getting Wenger out makes you a massive hypocrite.

I get tired of the wankers on social media who never go to games throwing insults at fellow fans for not being respectful to the decrepit old dinosaur, without armchair fans on the other side giving them abuse as well for being too passive. So equally if you can't stand to have your opinions scrutinised don't publish them.

Everything you've said still amounts to you believing that the atmosphere should be bad. I know this is hard for someone like you to understand, but being a football fan means you enjoy watching football and watching your team win. People don't enjoy bad atmospheres the way you do.

People don't travel the length of the country to have the arse ache. You can carry banners expressing how you feel or fly planes (like the one at the Britannia which was crowd sourced) but again saying the team played well today is not saying "I want Wenger to stay" it's having an objective view when asked about the singular game.

Do you know what the irony is Zim, you're exactly like Wenger....entrenched in your own sense of being right at the exclusion of all else.

[Xhaka Can’t]

Wenger was questioned about the number of empty seats seen recently at home games and the proposed boycott of the Sunderland game, his response was we have sold out of tickets on these games so there is no issue.....

Unbelievable arrogance of the highest order.

Wenger isn't stupid, he understood the point that was being made but as usual refused to go into dialogue about it.

Wenger talks about what he wants to talk about. The old excuse that he was only responding to a question when he utters some bullshit about crap that is nothing to do with him is gone.

He has lots to say about bollox that is nothing to do with our Club, but when there is something important, something staring him in the face, like the Club being torn apart and fans fighting fans, he has fuck all to say because the money is still rolling in for this shitshow.

And the amount of fans that turn up tonight is immaterial because that ain't going on the balance sheet.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Wenger talks about what he wants to talk about. The old excuse that he was only responding to a question when he utters some bullshit about crap that is nothing to do with him is gone.

He has lots to say about bollox that is nothing to do with our Club, but when there is something important, something staring him in the face, like the Club being torn apart and fans fighting fans, he has fuck all to say because the money is still rolling in for this shitshow.

And the amount of fans that turn up tonight is immaterial because that ain't going on the balance sheet.

Also there are a lot of tickets on general sale which might get taken up (although i doubt it) so will be interesting how the club try to spin this.

It's not a surprise though he has tried already to state that the fans who want him out are a small group of malcontents and that the majority of fans are on board with his nonsense.

[Özim]

I've never said you can't say whatever you want I just happen to think telling people what they should or should not be doing when you haven't lifted a finger towards the end of getting Wenger out makes you a massive hypocrite. I get tired of the wankers on social media who never go to games throwing insults at fellow fans for not being respectful to the decrepit old dinosaur, without armchair fans on the other side giving them abuse as well for being too passive. So equally if you can't stand to have your opinions scrutinised don't publish them. Everything you've said still amounts to you believing that the atmosphere should be bad. I know this is hard for someone like you to understand, but being a football fan means you enjoy watching football and watching your team win. People don't enjoy bad atmospheres the way you do. People don't travel the length of the country to have the arse ache. You can carry banners expressing how you feel or fly planes (like the one at the Britannia which was crowd sourced) but again saying the team played well today is not saying "I want Wenger to stay" it's having an objective view when asked about the singular game. Do you know what the irony is Zim, you're exactly like Wenger....entrenched in your own sense of being right at the exclusion of all else.

People are allowed opinions and that's what I'm expressing, but ignorig that it's actually logic, do you really think there's any chance of Wenger going if everyone appears happy, doesn't kick up a fuss and everything appears hunky-dory. Your stance is kinda strange on the one hand you say you want Wenger out and yet you don't support what would be required to achieve this. As for enjoying watching football, I don't enjoy it because it's largely rubbish, yes we get the odd decent result but it's an anomaly in an otherwise repetitive cycle we've seen for 10+ years, there's nothing enjoyable about that, besides if being a football fan involves being taken for a mug then I'll give it a miss thanks, because quite frankly the club take the mick. It's nothing to do with a ense of being right, it's just logic.

[Power n Glory]

Wenger talks about what he wants to talk about. The old excuse that he was only responding to a question when he utters some bullshit about crap that is nothing to do with him is gone.

He has lots to say about bollox that is nothing to do with our Club, but when there is something important, something staring him in the face, like the Club being torn apart and fans fighting fans, he has fuck all to say because the money is still rolling in for this shitshow.

And the amount of fans that turn up tonight is immaterial because that ain't going on the balance sheet.

A really good point. It’s interesting watching his behaviour during this period. I’ve lost a lot of respect for him.

[Power n Glory]

Zim, this is where the argument falls flat.

If you use AFTV as a guide of what fans think, then they seem encouraged by the tactical change and the results and seemingly seem reasonably happy

You can't form an overall opinion of the fans stance on Wenger from AFTV people being happy with results.

[Gooner23]

A really good point. It’s interesting watching his behaviour during this period. I’ve lost a lot of respect for him.

Me too.

His latest whinging that some teams are now not giving their all because its the end of the season and they are safe is just another example of when he'd be better off keeping his mouth shut. I am assuming its a dig at West Ham for rolling over against Liverpool, even though Stoke did the same for us just 24 hours previously. Plus it completely misses the point that we fully deserve to be where we are in the league. We were nothing short of pathetic in the months when we were still in touch with the league leaders.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

People are allowed opinions and that's what I'm expressing, but ignorig that it's actually logic, do you really think there's any chance of Wenger going if everyone appears happy, doesn't kick up a fuss and everything appears hunky-dory. Your stance is kinda strange on the one hand you say you want Wenger out and yet you don't support what would be required to achieve this. As for enjoying watching football, I don't enjoy it because it's largely rubbish, yes we get the odd decent result but it's an anomaly in an otherwise repetitive cycle we've seen for 10+ years, there's nothing enjoyable about that, besides if being a football fan involves being taken for a mug then I'll give it a miss thanks, because quite frankly the club take the mick. It's nothing to do with a ense of being right, it's just logic.

I honestly think if fans start whinging despite what the results and performances are, it's easier for the club and the media to pin them as being difficult, entitled and unreasonable.

But still comes back to the point, what are you personally doing to get Wenger out of the club?. You point the fingers at other people but what are you doing rather than sitting back and being critical.....which seems a rather comfortable position to take.

And again the arrogance to tell people what they should or shouldn't enjoy. People being happy with a one off result doesn't mean they are happy with the season and this preoccupation with yours that fans have to be miserable and testy at all times in case Wenger is able to use it to embolden himself is frankly bizarre.

What i'm hearing from you is your own sense of insecurity, that in fact you are deflecting your own sense of nervousness and unhappiness with us winning because it makes Wenger more likely to stay. If you were honest enough to admit that i would have more sympathy, I don't think there is a single person on this site who wasn't concerned that finishing top four would confirm Wenger staying and without any checks and balances on his excesses.....and that includes myself.

But if you are going to every single game because you are a dedicated fan, and you find the constant bad atmosphere and toxicity draining, why on earth would you seek to look for it. People don't revel in it, it's exhausting and depressing so like I say if they want to just have some enjoyment from a result and a performance that wasn't terrible.....I find it bizarre that you resent this so much.

Or actually I don't, I would expect someone who feels that way to be more prepared to take matters into their own hands but you won't will you. You will be content sitting back and blaming other people.

[Power n Glory]

Me too.

His latest whinging that some teams are now not giving their all because its the end of the season and they are safe is just another example of when he'd be better off keeping his mouth shut. I am assuming its a dig at West Ham for rolling over against Liverpool, even though Stoke did the same for us just 24 hours previously. Plus it completely misses the point that we fully deserve to be where we are in the league. We were nothing short of pathetic in the months when we were still in touch with the league leaders.

I caught a glimpse of that story this morning and was just reading Pep's response.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/footba...senal-10428609

You can see why people don't like him. Voyeur. Why is he watching other teams and not his own?