Women's World Cup

[HCZ_Reborn]

The furore is because he committed a sexual assault



it's enough for her to say she didn't like it - tihs isn't some guy off the street it's the president of the football association, with all the money and status comes a high level of responsibility to lead by example



'Cancel culture' is just bullshit made up by the right for no other reason than they actually agree, or at the very least want to turn a blind eye to, societal wrongs like misogyny, sexism, etc etc

no-one pays any attention unless firm examples are made of people who transgreess things like a women's right to her personal space - again, to finish where i started, it was a sexual assualt in public and therefore given his position he must be sacked

Yeah I thought you’d take that attitude to cancel culture you seem the type, too preoccupied with political tribalism to actually take an open view on something. You used the term mutually exclusive the other week (I’m fucked if I can remember what the context was) well the right wing making hay out of cancel culture and calling everything an example of it does not mean it doesn’t exist. Maybe tell that to a lot of academics especially in the US who have lost their livelihoods because the latest iteration of tarring and feathering, is a bunch of social media pissants contacting someone’s employer and demanding they be sacked for what it is in most instances an innocuous comment

Sexual Assault? Fuck off…he didn’t slip his tongue in her mouth….if he’d kissed her on the cheek no one would have said anything. Calling it sexual assault is a travesty which actually diminishes the seriousness of actual sexual assault. It was inappropriate behaviour, and I’ll bet my boots that Hermoso when reflecting back on this incident in years to come will conclude that the coverage of the incident (which has forced her and her family to go into hiding) is worse than the incident itself.

No this kind of attitude doesn’t bring about change in attitudes, it actually is more likely to cause pushback. Cunts like Andrew Tate didn’t emerge in a vaccum

[Marc Overmars]

The reaction is over the top but it was a pretty weird move from him. I can’t imagine a female president would have congratulated the men’s team by kissing a player on the lips.

It’s all a bit weird but I guess as a bloke I’m not going to pretend to understand how women feel about this kind of thing.

[HCZ_Reborn]

The reaction is over the top but it was a pretty weird move from him. I can’t imagine a female president would have congratulated the men’s team by kissing a player on the lips.

It’s all a bit weird but I guess as a bloke I’m not going to pretend to understand how women feel about this kind of thing.

I agree with what you’ve said, I think it was weird behaviour and he absolutely shouldn’t have done it. But it’s almost like you can accept that and think the reaction was over the top. And the reaction seems to have little to do with how Hermoso herself feels about it, and more about an outrage movement.

[Letters]

it's a start but it's Rubiales who needs sacking

It’s a start?
You’re not even talking about the person who did the bad thing.
It’s just someone who didn’t join the baying mob.
So now you can be sacked not for actually doing anything wrong yourself but not thinking the right thing about the person who did, or not expressing that feeling strongly enough.
You’re ok with that, are you?

[HCZ_Reborn]

It’s a start?
You’re not even talking about the person who did the bad thing.
It’s just someone who didn’t join the baying mob.
So now you can be sacked not for actually doing anything wrong yourself but not thinking the right thing about the person who did, or not expressing that feeling strongly enough.
You’re ok with that, are you?

And he thinks cancel culture is purely a right wing phantom

For right wing commentators is it the new “political correctness gone mad” yes of course, these people have always got something or someone to demonise.

But to say it doesn’t exist is counter factual. You can argue some people deserve it, but ultimately it’s not the rich and famous who fall afoul of it. It’s the ordinary bugger who might have unwisely said something on social media and then ends up losing his job and finding it difficult to get another job. I take it personally because it almost happened to me, and for something that I consider a perfectly legitimate point of view (no not me using the W word…even Im not bone headed enough to risk saying that in a more popularly visited forum than this).

However I don’t want to go off the deep end, because this is about behaviour and not words. And for the umpteenth time I do repeat that I don’t consider the behaviour ok, but neither do I think it was malign. You can argue that he deserves to go because once your reputation has been tarnished like that you can’t ever get it back, kissing Jenni Hermoso is all he will be remembered for.

I just think there needs to be a sense of proportion

[Mac76]

It’s a start?
You’re not even talking about the person who did the bad thing.
It’s just someone who didn’t join the baying mob.
So now you can be sacked not for actually doing anything wrong yourself but not thinking the right thing about the person who did, or not expressing that feeling strongly enough.
You’re ok with that, are you?

Sure, I was being a bit provocative perhaps, I don't care about the manager, he obviously did something right given they won the world cup, though on talent alone they were head and shoulders above England

[Mac76]

However I don’t want to go off the deep end, because this is about behaviour and not words. And for the umpteenth time I do repeat that I don’t consider the behaviour ok, but neither do I think it was malign. You can argue that he deserves to go because once your reputation has been tarnished like that you can’t ever get it back, kissing Jenni Hermoso is all he will be remembered for.

I just think there needs to be a sense of proportion

Well you've just explained how it's proportionate, he forced himself on a woman in public and that will follow him everywhere he goes - rightly IMO

So he needs to go

You can throw all the labels and stereotypes at me you like, that's an easy way to sidestep what's important here, which is that women should be allowed to go about their job without some dirty old man taking an opportinity to take things to far, thinking he can get away with it because of the occasion

I suspect what will happen is that in 6 months he'll 'decide to retire' with a fat payoff and nice pension, so everyone saves face

[HCZ_Reborn]

Well you've just explained how it's proportionate, he forced himself on a woman in public and that will follow him everywhere he goes - rightly IMO

So he needs to go

You can throw all the labels and stereotypes at me you like, that's an easy way to sidestep what's important here, which is that women should be allowed to go about their job without some dirty old man taking an opportinity to take things to far, thinking he can get away with it because of the occasion

I suspect what will happen is that in 6 months he'll 'decide to retire' with a fat payoff and nice pension, so everyone saves face

No I don’t think it’s proportionate, I just think it’s a sad reality of our times. I think using charged phrasing like “forcing himself on her” doesn't make the offence any more serious, it just serves to trivialise actual sexual assault. But to be honest apart from thinking the whole thing a circus anyway, that’s not what has got me animated

What has is the thing that I note you have curiously dodged and that is the sacking of Vilda. Anyone who supports this in my view has gone well beyond the confines of supporting women and just has the bloodlust.

[HCZ_Reborn]

Oh my apologies you did comment on it to say “I don’t care”

Redolent of the current liberal/lefty attitude, as long as I get my sense of righteous indignation rewarded I don’t care who the shards dice in the crossfire.

Then again the right are massive hypocrites on the issue, because they don’t care if the person targeted is seen as a political opponent.

Or some of the idiots on here who don’t like the fact that I came down hard on Mason Greenwood….

[WMUG]

Just to add some context, the manager has previously been at the centre of controversy, being accused of bullying to the point where 15 players refused to play for the national team until he left.

Quite how that intersects with the Rubiales thing I'm not sure, but I thought it was worth mentioning.