Do you still want Wenger as Arsenal manager?

[Grebbo]

Do you seriously think, FY, that you and I, internet twats (no offence), are more able to see the deficiencies in our squad than Arsene Wenger?
Seriously?
I don't believe that.
He's either gone ABSOLUTELY MENTAL (unlikely, IMO) or there's something going on, probably at board level.
Neither of us know of course but I think the latter is more likely and if you think removing Wenger and getting another manager in will magically solve that and we'll be brilliant again then I'd suggest it's a little more complex than that.

Again... AW has spent £25m this summer on two players and neither of them are a CB , CM or striker.

He is not attempting to fix our faults.

He is mental.

[Boss]

Do you seriously think, FY, that you and I, internet twats (no offence), are more able to see the deficiencies in our squad than Arsene Wenger?

You talk of the Arsene Wenger of old, not the one of the last six years. The biggest inconsistency with our transfer dealings this summer is the signing of AOC for 15M.

If Arsenal have a limited transfer budget, then surely that 15M would be put to better use on players that could fit into the team now, instead of being wasted on someone that likely won't have an impact for at least 2-3 years.

If the issue is down to wages as suggested by some, surely moves for various EPL players at standard (non top-6) clubs would not cause us to break any wage system structure and still improve the side.

That we're still having the same defensive issues as six years ago is down to Wenger and no one else.

That we've bought just two players from the English top flight in the last ten years is down to Wenger and no one else.

As for the question asked, I'd assume the same was asked in response to Nottingham Forest fans questioning the decisions Clough made before he got the club relegated.

In fact, the statement on Wikipedia reads very similar to what's happening to us...

The 1992–93 season was Clough's 18th with Forest – and his last. They were one of the 22 clubs in the new Premier League, but the sale of key players like Teddy Sheringham(Cesc Fabregas) and Des Walker(Samir Nasri), combined with the manager's increasingly uncontrolled alcoholism(lack of intervention/stubbornness), saw the club's fortunes take a sharp decline and they were bottom virtually all season. Just before a 2–0 defeat against Sheffield United confirmed the club's relegation after 16 years in the top flight, Clough announced his retirement as manager.

They started that season better than we've started this as well.

Not saying Wenger will get us relegated as that's silly, but quality wise we have less in reserve than most sides in the top ten and this season could be a lot worse than people are assuming.

I think that only Wenger could pick up some of the players he's found on the fees he's paid for them, but quite a few managers could get more out of them tactically.

[Flavs]

That we've bought just two players from the English top flight in the last ten years is down to Wenger and no one else.

Tweety

[Letters]

The comparisons with Clough are nonsense. He took Forest down, Wenger's taken us to 4th place.
We may struggle to stay there in the era of billionaire owners, 2 of the sides in last season's top 4 are very hard to compete with, but I seriously doubt we'll finish that low. Still top 6 at worst and I wouldn't rule out top 4.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

all this talk that wenger has not gone mental is mad.

he clearly has.

he advocated this move for youth, not the board, and hes stuck by it aggressively right until this day.

was it the board who denied wenger paying a measly £3m/£4m for schwarzer? was it the board who denied wenger paying a measly £4m more for alonso, one of the best players in the world, who lets face it was not on ridiculous wages? was it the board who stopped a defensive coach coming in to help wenger? no. it was wenger who chose not to.

he's so deep into this philosophy that over the years he's made himself blind to all the basic fundamental problems in our squad.

vidic, vermaelen, evra, sagna, van de vaart, enrique, all some of the players that have gone for under £10m and came with normal wages. there are players out there. wenger chooses not to buy them.

wenger created this mess and he can sort it out, because if another manager came in he'd be so shocked at the state of our squad he'd get the first train out of london.

[Flavs]

You talk of the Arsene Wenger of old, not the one of the last six years. The biggest inconsistency with our transfer dealings this summer is the signing of AOC for 15M.

If Arsenal have a limited transfer budget, then surely that 15M would be put to better use on players that could fit into the team now, instead of being wasted on someone that likely won't have an impact for at least 2-3 years.

If the issue is down to wages as suggested by some, surely moves for various EPL players at standard (non top-6) clubs would not cause us to break any wage system structure and still improve the side.

That we're still having the same defensive issues as six years ago is down to Wenger and no one else.

That we've bought just two players from the English top flight in the last ten years is down to Wenger and no one else.

As for the question asked, I'd assume the same was asked in response to Nottingham Forest fans questioning the decisions Clough made before he got the club relegated.

In fact, the statement on Wikipedia reads very similar to what's happening to us...



They started that season better than we've started this as well.

Not saying Wenger will get us relegated as that's silly, but quality wise we have less in reserve than most sides in the top ten and this season could be a lot worse than people are assuming.

I think that only Wenger could pick up some of the players he's found on the fees he's paid for them, but quite a few managers could get more out of them tactically.

Comparing Wenger and Cloughie is like comparing Sami Nasri and George best mate, booze and an unstable mental state did cloughie simple as. Wenger has a whole load of problems that cant be explained by any of us as we dont have access to the relevant info but he certainly isnt mental like Clough was. The way they are similar is in changing the game. Cloughs achievements at the time were unprecedented.

(Jens face once asked me who he was. Imagine someone taking over at Barnsley now, winning the championship this year, the premiership next year and then winning back to back champions leagues. That's what Cloughie did at Forest.)

[Letters]

all this talk that wenger has not gone mental is mad.

he clearly has.

he advocated this move for youth, not the board, and hes stuck by it aggressively right until this day.

was it the board who denied wenger paying a measly £3m/£4m for schwarzer? was it the board who denied wenger paying a measly £4m more for alonso, one of the best players in the world, who lets face it was not on ridiculous wages? was it the board who stopped a defensive coach coming in to help wenger? no. it was wenger who chose not to.

he's so deep into this philosophy that over the years he's made himself blind to all the basic fundamental problems in our squad.

vidic, vermaelen, evra, sagna, van de vaart, enrique, all some of the players that have gone for under £10m and came with normal wages. there are players out there. wenger chooses not to buy them.

wenger created this mess and he can sort it out, because if another manager came in he'd be so shocked at the state of our squad he'd get the first train out of london.

How do you know any of this? You're assuming far more knowledge of what goes on in the club than you actually have.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

How do you know any of this? You're assuming far more knowledge of what goes on in the club than you actually have.

what part?

wenger said himself he wont pay that much for schwarzer.

phil thompson said the alonso bit a few weeks back.

why would the board stand in the way of a defensive coach? he'd cost about 1 grand a week in wages and help the team possibly win titles.

[Letters]

Tbh I wasn't happy about the Schwarzer thing but have you seen the way Chesney's been playing? Looking back I think Wenger may have got that one right. As for a defensive coach, we'll see how things go this season although IMO with Vermy back we've defended OK so far so let's see how that works out. The first goal on Saturday was just bad luck, the 2nd was a breakaway as we were pushing for an equaliser. The other two games we've kept clean sheets so while it's too early to declare that problem solved there are some signs of hope there. The problem so far this year has been creating chances at the other end.

Edit: How would Phil Thompson know the ins and outs of our transfer negotiations?

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Tbh I wasn't happy about the Schwarzer thing but have you seen the way Chesney's been playing? Looking back I think Wenger may have got that one right. As for a defensive coach, we'll see how things go this season although IMO with Vermy back we've defended OK so far so let's see how that works out. The first goal on Saturday was just bad luck, the 2nd was a breakaway as we were pushing for an equaliser. The other two games we've kept clean sheets so while it's too early to declare that problem solved there are some signs of hope there. The problem so far this year has been creating chances at the other end.

Edit: How would Phil Thompson know the ins and outs of our transfer negotiations?

yeah im not saying he wasnt right but you asked me a question so i answered it.

we lost a hell of a lot of points with fabianski and almunia in goal so although now we're fine, we lost the league 2 years in a row mainly due to our keeper and defensive incapabilities.

phil wouldn't know the ins and out of all our transfer negotiations but he'd know our negotiations with alonso, as he plays for liverpool and he still speaks to staff/players on a regular basis according to him.