Disappointment Knows No End

[Japan Shaking All Over]

Couldnt have put it better.

JSAO: "Wenger is being the model employee and doing what he is told and at the sametime thinking that at some point everyone is going to have to come round to his way of thinking, rather thanthe other way round. I cant see that FFP is can to chsnge the playing suface too much and by the looks of it we are going to be too far behind to catch up quickly in any case."

I couldnt disagree more. How can you call him a model employee?! What he is doing by 'doing what the employer asks' him is killing our club! Its like saying "I killed the child because my employer told me to do so.. I am a model employee!" Where is the freaking conscience?! What happened to all that winning mentality?! I can understand people with normal jobs sucking their boss's dick just so that they can earn enough money to make ends meet. Whats Wenger's excuse? Old geezer is rich beyond what we all could ever earn... all he needs to do is the right thing and quit. Unfortunately like PnG said, he is the main culprit- the con man!

FY I use the term model employee more out of exasperation than anything else!

There are those that say that fourth is being laid down as a goal for the season as it secures a certain financial gain on the year, and that when achieved the job is done and that by securing us CL football every year Wenger isnt doing too bad especially with the restrictions our debt, player exodus causes!

Well for a few years I let things go, I wasnt so involved with forums or Arsenal websires, last year saw a desperate mess made palatable through a respectful level of hard work and apparent team cohesion but with that experience should have come high level of learning/appreciation that we could never go into a new season in the same fashion.

It seemed we werent going to either, I agree in the past few seasons we have been mismanaged and I hoped we wouldnt be any more, I am sad to say I was wrong. I do not think we did everything we could to maximism optimism for this season.

I do not blame one entity in this, both the board and Wenger must accept they did not, still dont perform their roles to the best of their ability. We had a chance to really catch up, we missed it in my opinion. I hear but dont buy that there wssnt nothing out there.


As I said we missed the chance, created a bog to be bogged down by, we will be arpind the top and I will be hoping for a win every game but it will be hard. And as I have said even if we are to win the lot this year I still think things should have been done differently.

Wenger out? God knows! Letters often says it may not be any better with a new guy in place, that may be so but we will never know until it happens.

Anyway. . .

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

He makes it easy for the board. In footballing terms, he's able legitamise and justify their tight fisted ways and balancing act. The 30 plus contract rule and his recent comments about players on the decline earning massive wages; the board must love that shit. It's a seal of approval and makes sense financially for them but Wenger rubber stamps it with his football logic. One of the suits would never be able to stand before the fans and justify this wage structure and relate it back to the fans so it makes sense in footballing terms. They'd never be able to justify the 30 plus contract rule without Wenger. They'd only be able to point to a balance sheet and explain how we save money. Wenger has data and experience on when players start to decline and when performance starts to suffer on the pitch. That's gold to them. They can hide behind that. They don't have that sort of knowledge. Wenger has no problem volunteering this sort of information to the press and fans. He knows his opinion is highly regarded; he's aware of his influence and what is said about him in the press. His recent comments take the absolute piss.

He's happy to dupe the fans. I heard at an AGM meeting when Gazidis and PHW were getting jeered by the crowd, he jumped in front of the bullets and protected them. He jumped in and started speaking about the club and our vision and that tamed the crowd. He had instant respect and it was if Yoda had just spoken during a heated Jedi council debate. It was reported on Arseblog and Le Grove some months back. Why would he do that if he's getting screwed over and doing simply what he's told? He agrees with this. When the club announced they were raising ticket prices, he said that it was necessary in order to compete with clubs like Chelsea and City. That's utter bollocks but he said it anyway and knew if he related such a financially motivated ploy back to the football pitch, we'd all understand. Forget painting Wenger as a moralist. He's the con man. Without him, the con doesn't work. People trust him and it's how the club gets away with it.

spot on. its all about his vision- he can sell it. he's a salesman by nature and for the past 7 years he's been selling us a future, constantly telling us 'our time will come' and the team will nurture into something special. only now the problem is many are waking up to the stark reality that this isn't actually the case and that's why i said fans aren't stupid- we can see it. we didn't want to believe it so our eyes became blind to what we thought was the impossible. we didn't want to believe that wenger has lost his touch and we didn't want to believe that he simply isn't capable of putting together another title challenging team. we used to sit back and hope that our beloved wenger would string magic together and get us where we want to be. for the board, fourth is enough but for fans it isn't. we sit here and see our rivals win trophies and overtake us year on year, yet the board and manager seem accepting, almost defeatist in their attitude. if they're defeatist towards winning trophies, why should we avoid being defeatist towards wenger and the current regime? fans aren't willing to see the same mistakes being made, the same players leaving and the same squad neglect taking place. wenger used to be able to cover all this up by talking and selling his vision but everytime he now talks people bite. without wenger we wouldn't be where we are but in recognition of that, what are we supposed to do? sit and watch him erode our club and devoid us of any winning mentality? do we sit back and give him free reign to play with us like we're his personalised christmas toy when there's other avenue's available that may instill us back to winning ways? every year that passes we become less accustomed to winning trophies and that becomes a problem. the problem becomes deep rooted - although id argue it already has - and the wound cuts deeper. never bite the hand that feeds you, but its sad to see that in this case, wenger bit his own hand.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

You've completely misrepresented or misunderstood my views.
You're arguing against something I haven't said.

i could have bet id get a response like that from you.

crawl back into your cave.

[Penguin]

spot on. its all about his vision- he can sell it. he's a salesman by nature and for the past 7 years he's been selling us a future, constantly telling us 'our time will come' and the team will nurture into something special. only now the problem is many are waking up to the stark reality that this isn't actually the case and that's why i said fans aren't stupid- we can see it. we didn't want to believe it so our eyes became blind to what we thought was the impossible. we didn't want to believe that wenger has lost his touch and we didn't want to believe that he simply isn't capable of putting together another title challenging team. we used to sit back and hope that our beloved wenger would string magic together and get us where we want to be. for the board, fourth is enough but for fans it isn't. we sit here and see our rivals win trophies and overtake us year on year, yet the board and manager seem accepting, almost defeatist in their attitude. if they're defeatist towards winning trophies, why should we avoid being defeatist towards wenger and the current regime? fans aren't willing to see the same mistakes being made, the same players leaving and the same squad neglect taking place. wenger used to be able to cover all this up by talking and selling his vision but everytime he now talks people bite. without wenger we wouldn't be where we are but in recognition of that, what are we supposed to do? sit and watch him erode our club and devoid us of any winning mentality? do we sit back and give him free reign to play with us like we're his personalised christmas toy when there's other avenue's available that may instill us back to winning ways? every year that passes we become less accustomed to winning trophies and that becomes a problem. the problem becomes deep rooted - although id argue it already has - and the wound cuts deeper. never bite the hand that feeds you, but its sad to see that in this case, wenger bit his own hand.

Good post mate but you should paragraph - it's tough on the eye's to read a block like that

[cricketsi]

I haven't read this whole thread yet, but just managed to get on the internet for the first time since transfer deadline day and was amazed to see no new transfers in for us. I still can't figure out why we sold Song. That's one of many transfers I would like to know the full story on because it's so bizarre. If we'd kept him at least we'd have a competitive team and squad. Without him, we look fucked.