No. But having no RvP so we could have more than one shot IS their fault. To what degree we can't be certain. They talk a good game on the money front but we never see any of it, do we?Originally Posted by fakeyank
Having one shot on target against Swansea at home in the league, is not the boards fault.
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It was Wengers decision to sell RVP
So is that down to former players motivating the squad? What is the role of Wenger if he can't even motivate his team to take a game seriously? What sort I message is he sending out when he seems fourth more of an achievement then the league cups?
The argument that Wenger just sits there helplessly as his best players are sold off one by one is ludicrous IMO, if that was the case why would any manager with any self respect stay when the board undermined them all the time? There is the case that they'd stay because of money (7 million notes a year) but once again you can't respect that.
If Wenger wasn't open to seeing those players leave he'd have been gone, he's always maintained from the early days that he has complete freedom at this club and that is something he loves....with players like RVP we forced ourselves into a corner of course, contract running down.....sell him and get something or keep him and lose him for nothing.....Wenger the economist no doubt saw the logic in selling him when it was clear a new contract wasn't feasible.
Cesc well he asked the club to knock the price down and let him go, well done there.....the board respect his opinion and he and the board work along the same lines, make money, sell players when it's no feasible to keep them for one reason or another.
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If people want to believe that he's powerless then so be it. What more needs to be seen or said to convincethem them. Look at the press conference today and Wenger's comments about everyone being an expert and superficial analysis. Exit such scathing criticism of anyone without real football credentials, does anyone really believe he'd allow someone like Stan Kronke, an American with no knowledge of football, tell him how to run his squad l and who to buy or sell? Does anyone really think Wenger would allow that sort of intrusion into his affairs?
We really need to move on from this discussion.
No, it was RvP's decision to leave. Your story about Wenger wanting to sell him to Utd is bullshit. From what little escapes the secret halls the prices was run on Utd in an attempt to dissuade them. That's why Ferguson lost his rag.
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Nope, didn't say that. Didn't say anything even close to that. I said it must be demotivating to see so much quality drain away.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19179833It is understood Van Persie was encouraged by the arrivals of Germany forward Lukas Podolski, France striker Olivier Giroud and Spain midfielder Cazorla - to the point where he was open to the idea of staying with or without a new contract.
But Wenger pulled him aside shortly before Sunday's friendly victory over Cologne, told him he would be sold if a deal could be reached and informed the Dutchman he was no longer part of his plans.
Formal discussions between Arsenal and United began immediately, with Gazidis and United chief executive David Gill agreeing a fee of £22.5m on Tuesday, only for it to be vetoed by Wenger as he held out for £25m.
On Wednesday morning, United boss Sir Alex Ferguson called Wenger to offer £23m and Wenger quoted him £24m.
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even that i would dispute. the song situation is the most recent example. the first choice replacement was vertonghen, who didn't want to play as CM. so who was next on the list? diaby. that's it. far from an extensive list. of course they could've have been others who he couldn't get but surely you agree, anyone, anything, would've been better than relying on a man whose career ended five years ago.
the rvp thing, fine he went. so let's break our balls for a replacement. not giroud or walcott but a real time, big fucking daddy who loves goals. he has sat next to the ceo for the past two seasons whilst the message of money being available is preached, so there is no issue bar his own decisions not to spend it. if he is just being complicit with the message, then in many ways that is even worse and degrades his once lofty reputation further.
i would love none of this to be true but unfortunately it is. it truly, sadly is the case. maybe it will all go tits up if he/when he goes but i've got to the point where i am so desperate for a change, something different, anything, that i no longer care. let's just do it. i'd rather lose it all than meander around wandering what could've been if only i had taken that chance.
I can understand not wanting to be a part of the club and heads turning in the summer or a prolonged period of bad form from a rebel player but these sort on performances have no pattern to them and it's a host of players that are often guilty. Something is wrong with our preparation for these games. We can show good spirit in one game and then put in half shift the next. Reminds me of the last time Wenger took a bashing in the press and the team upped the pace and effort by a country mile. The next game they were bloody coasting again and then again in the next game!
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