When will Arteta be sacked by

[HCZ_Reborn]

And the last point is academic. We all know that Arteta won’t be moved on unless we finish outside the top four, and I tend to think the teams below us will knee cap each other

But the whole discussion is academic. We aren’t predicting what we think will happen. We are saying what should happen

I think what are clearly Arteta’s negative personality traits…..most of all his monstrous ego are the reason for our failing. I think Guardiola is largely the reason why City went through that horrendous run.


We’ve spent a lot of money to indulge this behaviour. Why I think names are irrelevant is because I don’t think the coach is even that relevant a role. For Real Madrid, they won countless European cups even though the players despised Zidane.


With us, whilst I think the squad is good it’s not good enough to be left to its own devices and be over coached by an egomaniac. It’s not just about player positions, it’s about player temperaments. Any player with any hint of personality or character could not work for someone like Arteta because they’d find the atmosphere stifling. Saka is a good lad but he’s far too laidback to make a beef, Odegaard is a paper tiger. It’s all too easy to over coach them and erase any sense of individuality where players will step up, take personal responsibility and try and make something happen by themselves.

[Mac76]

Any player with any hint of personality or character could not work for someone like Arteta because they’d find the atmosphere stifling. Saka is a good lad but he’s far too laidback to make a beef, Odegaard is a paper tiger. It’s all too easy to over coach them and erase any sense of individuality where players will step up, take personal responsibility and try and make something happen by themselves.

Arteta got rid of anyone with personality, except Xhaka and as I say he was a teacher's pet

[HCZ_Reborn]

Arteta got rid of anyone with personality, except Xhaka and as I say he was a teacher's pet

[IBK]

We didn’t have a military dictator who killed probably millions of his own people over a forty year period, and if we did we wouldn’t be in a massive state of denial about it. You don’t have monuments to Hitler in Berlin or Mussolini in Rome and probably they are directly responsible for the deaths of far fewer of their own people than Franco is for his.

If I understand you correctly, you don't like Arteta because he is arrogant; you link this arrogance to the superiority of Spanish people, and you are citing as an example of this an alleged state of denial in Spain over Franco. You deny my suggestion that any cultural feeling of superiority in Spain may (as it is in the UK), may be linked to it once being a powerful colonial power - a perfectly reasonable suggestion - by drawing a distinction between the UK - that had not had a direct military dictator (albeit that Cromwell's Protectorate comes close) and Spain. Yet unless you have issues with Germans; Italians; Chinese; many Africans etc who have also suffered dictatorship then I fail to see this point.

I also have issues with your suggestion that somehow all Spaniards are Franco apologists or deniers. I have lived there and while there is a sense of shame and maybe a traditional reluctance to think about the horrors of the Franco era (it only of course ended very recently in 1975) there are few who either admire or exonerate him. Further, just like in this country, where we have traditionally been in denial over our imperial brutality, this is changing with the modern generation.

Bloody hell - even for on here this is off on a tangent on a football thread

[HCZ_Reborn]

If I understand you correctly, you don't like Arteta because he is arrogant; you link this arrogance to the superiority of Spanish people, and you are citing as an example of this an alleged state of denial in Spain over Franco. You deny my suggestion that any cultural feeling of superiority in Spain may (as it is in the UK), may be linked to it once being a powerful colonial power - a perfectly reasonable suggestion - by drawing a distinction between the UK - that had not had a direct military dictator (albeit that Cromwell's Protectorate comes close) and Spain. Yet unless you have issues with Germans; Italians; Chinese; many Africans etc who have also suffered dictatorship then I fail to see this point.

I also have issues with your suggestion that somehow all Spaniards are Franco apologists or deniers. I have lived there and while there is a sense of shame and maybe a traditional reluctance to think about the horrors of the Franco era (it only of course ended very recently in 1975) there are few who either admire or exonerate him. Further, just like in this country, where we have traditionally been in denial over our imperial brutality, this is changing with the modern generation.

Bloody hell - even for on here this is off on a tangent on a football thread

The point is, whilst a bit of a generalisation a tendency for those from Iberia (both Portugal and Spain) to have an undeserved sense of smug superiority. And I’m invoking the country’s history to suggest that they have nothing particularly to be smug about.

Germany and Italy had an internal reckoning about fascism in their countries, Spain is afraid to do so. That’s not saying the Spanish people support Franco…countless numbers of them are descendants of the victims of his regime. But they belong to a country that can’t be honest with itself about that time


Oliver Cromwell and the authoritarian Monarch were a thing long before universal suffrage. It’s not part of our modern history, and no I don’t think there is this smug superiority about being British. Both the right and the left seem to be in a non aggression pact to tear this country down. And the bellicose imbeciles have always been a minority, patriotism has always been seen as passé amongst the educated classes and working class patriotism snubbed and patronised.


I’ll grant you that this subject is going off at a tangent. It’s merely an observation and an observation you might find quite prevalent in South America who bore the brunt of Iberian superiority

[IBK]

Can anyone come up with a name who they would rather see as manager or head coach of Arsenal rather than Arteta?

If no-one can then STFU.

I couldn't agree more mate. You have owned this thread. Further it is even a question of coming up with aspirational names, but looking at the likelihood that any managerial change would improve a team that is currently second in league and has been for the previous 2 seasons. Of course it's possible, but the overwhelming likelihood is that it wouldn't - at least before a few more years of turmoil.

Does this mean that Areta couldn't be improved on - no. Does it mean that if we fall short of a trophy again this season, the club should not think of a successor? No. But this developing trend of 'grass is greeener' links justified criticism of our manager's shortcomings with a pipe dream that (mostly un-named) saviours will finish the job he set out to do. It also ignores the obvious fact that Arteta remains one of the best managers around.

As you point out, unless we finish outside the top 4 this season, there's no chance of Arteta being sacked by the club, so misgivings or not, we need to get over it.

[IBK]

I don’t think there is this smug superiority about being British.

...and yet this could not have been evidenced any more clearly with the Brexit vote.

[HCZ_Reborn]

Our way of reckoning with our colonial past is to instill a sense of guilt in white skinned kids about it. I know full well about the East India Company, the British opium wars with China, what we did in Kenya and South Africa as well as the Bengali famine.

I don’t especially feel responsible for any of that, colonial brutality was very much a thing of its time. Then again If people of Indian or Bangladeshi abstraction curse Churchill…well I can’t say I blame them.

I think History should be taught without a moral loadstone, teach what was without trying to suggest we should feel some way about it.

[HCZ_Reborn]

...and yet this could not have been evidenced any more clearly with the Brexit vote.

You think? I can only assume you haven’t spoken to many leave voters then

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https://tribuna.com/en/news/arsenal-...ing-authority/

A few other blogs are carrying this story that the real reason Edu left was he couldn't stand that Arteta was getting too influential despite his lack of real success. Lets see what more comes out.

What I would say is that if fans don't clearly start showing discontent and start naming names we're going to struggle to push Arteta out, as we all agree that the Kronkes still don't get the culture and are only after the bottom line.

Without other independent minds on the board and the fans making a fuss, Arteta and stodgeball is going no where unless a car crash occurs, which realistically is not on the cards till Saka effs off or becomes ordinary.