Random Arsenal Shit (When it's not worth starting a thread)

[Letters]

no, you've pointed out that we have only lost when he's playing, some people might say there's something in that

Some people would be awful at analysing data if they did.

The point I was trying to make, which you are deliberately missing, is that it's too simplistic to look at games he played in vs games he didn't this season because by definition they're different games and the sample size for the games he didn't play is pretty small. If he'd played 50% of games and there was a clear difference then it might be a more valid argument.

TL;DR, you need to be a bit careful with statistics.

[HCZ_Reborn]

no, you've pointed out that we have only lost when he's playing, some people might say there's somethig in that.

and yes, given City bypassed our midfield, where Zin's supposed to make a difference, thereby making him irrelevant, then Tierney would have been a better option as he does at least offer more in defence and, I'd argue, in attack

In fairness to Letters what he’s actually pointing out is that the stats on with Zinchenko vs not with Zinchenko are not exactly fool proof because as he states Zinchenko has played far more games this season than he hasn’t, therefore the averages extrapolated for our stats without Zinchenko come from a much smaller pool of data.

This doesn’t refute your criticism of Zinchenko it’s just the stat box itself is probably not as informative as it could be.


Zinchenko was definitely not an asset for us in any of the four games we lost this season, definitely a poor performer in all four games. I’m not convinced however that his absence would have resulted in us not losing….simply because of other factors involved.

United Away - He was made to look very silly by Antony, but it was arguably Lokonga who gave Eriksen the freedom of the midfield


Everton Away - Absolutely awful, but so was Partey, so was Odegaard



City home and Away - Home game we suffered without Partey and just couldn’t impose ourselves in the second half, and Away it was just a shit show all over the pitch….Partey, Xhaka, Holding, White, Jesus…all sub par.

[Mac76]

@hcz i don't have time to go back through every game but am sure there are plenty more examples, here's just two recent ones:

Liverpool away - Tierney would have been a better choice to counter them down our left - Zinchenko was comprehensivly done for the second Liverpool goal

Newcastle away - Tierney coming on was the best thing that could have happened (which is why we should have known it was forced rather than tactical), he gave a us much more stability and i'd argue greatly helped prevent yet another 2-0 becoming 2-2

if i had time i am 100% sure i could come up with several mroe examples of this kind - which is easy to say but i really mean it

[FootieJohn909]

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[HCZ_Reborn]

@hcz i don't have time to go back through every game but am sure there are plenty more examples, here's just two recent ones:

Liverpool away - Tierney would have been a better choice to counter them down our left - Zinchenko was comprehensivly done for the second Liverpool goal

Newcastle away - Tierney coming on was the best thing that could have happened (which is why we should have known it was forced rather than tactical), he gave a us much more stability and i'd argue greatly helped prevent yet another 2-0 becoming 2-2

if i had time i am 100% sure i could come up with several mroe examples of this kind - which is easy to say but i really mean it

Again I’m not questioning whether Zinchenko’s poor performances contributed to those results they clearly did. I am just not as confident to say that playing him was the only reason we lost those games and we wouldn’t have lost them had he not played.

Liverpool away for example, he was dreadful of course and he was being targeted on that right hand side. And I clearly stated before the game my preference to play Tierney instead of him. But what also felt clear to me is that Liverpool for all our poor play and their ability to build a head of steam had somewhat petered out against us from the 70 minute mark and I think we gave them the momentum back again by taking off Odegaard and putting on Kiwior. Not that Odegaard was playing well or that Kiwior is a bad player but we lost any bit of control we had in midfield. And I think the pressure that was invited on us would have told whether Zinchenko or Tierney played. In fact Tierney was badly skinned in the few minutes he got in that game.

And the same collapse happened against West Ham when Zinchenko didn’t even play


I think even when we win comfortably Zinchenko makes me nervous so really the only argument I’d make is that the stats aren’t all that revealing. I agree with you that it’s not good that he’s one of Arteta’s favourites….I arguably think if we played him at home and Tierney away from home we’d probably do a lot better…as Zinchenko does well in games where the other team sits deep and gives us possession.

It was never my understanding that he was supposed to be first choice, more a utility player and to that end I had less problem with us signing him although I felt the priority should have been central midfield.

[HCZ_Reborn]

Weclome to the arsenal fan club. Where people dont share good or relevant opinions

Who are you, and why should I care?

[Mac76]

Who are you, and why should I care?

looks like a troll to me - can Letters or Maccy ban them?

[Letters]

looks like a troll to me - can Letters or Maccy ban them?

Gosh! I actually have some modding to do? It's been a while.
Meh, I'll see how he goes. People get away with a lot worse around here these days.

[LDG]

Gosh! I actually have some modding to do? It's been a while.
Meh, I'll see how he goes. People get away with a lot worse around here these days.

Fuck off

[Mac76]