The thing is the passage of time (23 years is a disgrace) is solely because of the cover up.
All the things they were calling for and claiming, whilst all the time being portrayed as whining and maudlin, they were actually right.
The thing is the passage of time (23 years is a disgrace) is solely because of the cover up.
All the things they were calling for and claiming, whilst all the time being portrayed as whining and maudlin, they were actually right.
Didn't Liverpool accept responsibility for Heysel though?
Whether they accepted responsibility is irrelevant. How many pool fans where held to account?Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
Yes, too late, but eventually.
And people went to prison. Whether they went for long enough, or too few were prosecuted, people were punished and the blame was clear. I think I'm right in saying even a high ranking official in Belgium was sent to prison over it. So frankly the post above mine is complete bollocks.
not sure but the day after this comes out is hardly the time to start rooting around i would imagine - unless you have an axe to grind that is.
Heysel is a consequence of how pool fans behave at cup finals. Since then, they have turned up to cup finals ticketless en mass, gained access by any means eg climbing walls at wembley in 86, stealing tickets from their own fans before CL finals. Every football forum in this country has sympathy for the fans families but doesnt agree the fans are not also to blame.
Stop pumelling this board with bollocks about 1989, most gooners know the score(especially those who stood on the terraces in the 80s) and theres nothing you can say or do that will change that.
Two independent reports have now exonerated the Liverpool fans; we can't assume they were responsible because of their behaviour during other matches during that period.
It stems from the initial excuses given by the police; drunk, late and ticketless. Word for word. Pretty much as soon as they realised they shouldn't have opened the gate the blame was put on fans forcing it open, so as to portray them as being an aggressive mob. This was soon found to be untrue.
The Leppings Lane end had something like 7 turnstiles for 10000 fans, the Forest end had around 6 times that and they were much more modern and a far more open space. As such the speed in which fans were being admitted to the stadium was painfully slow.
I don't doubt there were those who were drunk and those who were without tickets, just like with every event before and since. But various reports have shown they were no more excessively rowdy than to be expected. The number of fans that went through both the gate and the turnstiles were estimated to be around 9700 and an upper limit of 10100, totally within line of what there should be an thus showing there was not a significant number of ticketless fans- something even many of the police witnesses thought.
There were undoubtedly people who had been drinking and were drunk, but once again this was shown to be a minority, with the vast majority being not even the worse for drink. The more reliable witnesses, according to Taylor, said that some of these people became impatient, but by this time as shown by CCTV and eye witnesses, the crush outside was already starting to become a clear, major problem by about 2:30pm and as such those who were drunk were not a causal factor. Whether they aggravated an already critical situation is a different issue, but they were no more at fault than those who stayed outside the stadium because it was a sunny day- not exactly an unreasonable thing.
And as I have already said, the problems were already starting at around half 2, by no means late or out of the ordinary for a football match even now. The police had already started to lose control by this point, half an hour before the game started.
But to blame a minority selection of a group of fans, that can't be considered a homogeneous entity in itself, is wrong. As wrong as it would be to suggest those who were enjoying the sunny day were at fault. And even more wrong to suggest they had any bearing on the mistakes and negligence that came long after opening the gate. Would it have happened should you take this minority out, yes, would it have happened had there not been a number of massive errors from the police, no. But as soon as they known they had fucked up, they quickly went into action to exaggerate and portray it as a major cause, and mud sticks.
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Has Sheffield Wednesday asked Liverpool for compensation for destroying their stand?
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