Good Bye RVP!

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

id swap rvp for de jong, dzeko and zabaleta.

[PGFC]

I'd swap him for a bag of shit.

[Grebbo]

Not really bothered tbh, we're used to losing our best players. RVP is a great player but we've lost better in the past.

He can fuck right off. Should probably have kept his mouth shut until he got his move.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

bit harsh on the bag of shit.

id take half a bag.

[Marc Overmars]

Not really bothered tbh, we're used to losing our best players. RVP is a great player but we've lost better in the past.

He can fuck right off. Should probably have kept his mouth shut until he got his move.

We might have lost better but I don't think we've lost one who was so influential at the time of departure. RVP had a better season than Henry 03/04 in my books and I don't think the blow of losing him should be understated. It's fair to say we probably wouldn't be in the Champions League if he had missed even just a handful of games last season.

It's a very damaging blow to the club on and off the pitch.

[Power n Glory]

It doesn't matter if we were never dealing with £30m offers, whatever we could've got - £15m+ sounded reasonable. I don't think any club would've known any more than we do. The bottom line is that Van Persie has made it clear that he is not willing to sign a new contract. That matters. That has knocked a few million off the asking price. If he hadn't said that and kept his mouth quiet, there is a chance we could say he is still considering a new contract so any transfer bid would have to be reasonable even if his preference would be to move.

Also the reason he has given - even if he felt that way, and even if it's true - is a huge slap on the face of the club and doesn't help us attract any new players either. What we think is common knowledge is not. Arsenal and Arsene Wenger do indeed have a huge reputation and the current captain of the club saying we don't have the right ambition is a problem.

He has an agent and he's out there shopping him around. Clubs know what's going on and they're not stupid. Didn't Juve bid £8m for him before this news broke? We were never going to get £15m for him unless we're selling to City or someone with deep pockets. No club would buy that lie about him possibly signing a new deal, that just isn't realistic because why in the world would we want to sell him if he's going to sign a new deal?

It's a slap in the face to the club but we've done our fair share of mud slinging. Months ago, Wenger hinted that a player approaching 30 is past his peak and it isn't worth giving him a massive contract. That's pretty insulting. Next, we slap a gagging order on him and start acting as if he's asking for City wages. A clear attempt to try and turn fan favour against him. His father had to clear that nonsense up. The final slap; Wenger comes and lays the guilt trip suggesting that he should stay loyal to us because we've stood by him during the hard times! That's a piss take.

Wenger and the club are taking the piss. RVP has had an ugly injury record for us and we have stood by him. But should sacrifice his career and possibly go without a Championship medal because of this? All players have the ultimate goal of winning silverware. When you're approaching 30 you only have a few years left in the game at top level and Wenger knows this. Wenger can keep on building teams for another 10 - 15 years if he wants to. He has the time to gamble and tinker until he gets what he wants. A managers career is long. The Board, they're already swimming in what they desire...the ****s! Wenger and the Board may be happy with where they are and satisfied with the direction we're going in but you can't ask a player that has a short career to sacrifice his goal. The last thing anyone wants is to look back on their career with regret. It's okay for Wenger, he can keep going until he's physically unable to do the job as a manager and that could be 15 or 20 years away and in that time he could have won the Champs League and few more league titles. That can't be said for RVP. Plus, Wenger has already shown his cards on how he feels about players over 30 and that bastard isn't so quick to hand out coaching roles to former players, so forget him.

[Syn]

He has an agent and he's out there shopping him around. Clubs know what's going on and they're not stupid. Didn't Juve bid £8m for him before this news broke? We were never going to get £15m for him unless we're selling to City or someone with deep pockets. No club would buy that lie about him possibly signing a new deal, that just isn't realistic because why in the world would we want to sell him if he's going to sign a new deal?

It's a slap in the face to the club but we've done our fair share of mud slinging. Months ago, Wenger hinted that a player approaching 30 is past his peak and it isn't worth giving him a massive contract. That's pretty insulting. Next, we slap a gagging order on him and start acting as if he's asking for City wages. A clear attempt to try and turn fan favour against him. His father had to clear that nonsense up. The final slap; Wenger comes and lays the guilt trip suggesting that he should stay loyal to us because we've stood by him during the hard times! That's a piss take.

Wenger and the club are taking the piss. RVP has had an ugly injury record for us and we have stood by him. But should sacrifice his career and possibly go without a Championship medal because of this? All players have the ultimate goal of winning silverware. When you're approaching 30 you only have a few years left in the game at top level and Wenger knows this. Wenger can keep on building teams for another 10 - 15 years if he wants to. He has the time to gamble and tinker until he gets what he wants. A managers career is long. The Board, they're already swimming in what they desire...the ****s! Wenger and the Board may be happy with where they are and satisfied with the direction we're going in but you can't ask a player that has a short career to sacrifice his goal. The last thing anyone wants is to look back on their career with regret. It's okay for Wenger, he can keep going until he's physically unable to do the job as a manager and that could be 15 or 20 years away and in that time he could have won the Champs League and few more league titles. That can't be said for RVP. Plus, Wenger has already shown his cards on how he feels about players over 30 and that bastard isn't so quick to hand out coaching roles to former players, so forget him.

Fair point about the first case. Maybe other clubs do know exactly what the situation is - if Van Persie is looking to move, his agent would normally be generating some interest. But I really don't agree about the mud slinging from the club or Arsene hanging Robin out to dry. Of course the player's career is short but I think if our previous stars had shown just a bit more patience, we would really have a squad right now that is capable of winning trophies. And that's all you can build for.

Blaming the club for not winning trophies is silly given how tough the competition is. All you can expect the club to do is get a squad together that is among the best and is capable of winning trophies. I think if Nasri and Fabregas had stuck around, right now, we'd have a squad that was very much capable of challenging for the title. If we don't win, the players have to accept a lot of the blame themselves. Nobody can win trophies for them - it's up to them to earn it, and that's the only way a trophy means something. Van Persie wasn't given a fighting chance of winning a trophy last year because the squad was poor. I'm sure he would be upset with the club for that. But if Nasri and Fabregas were around, right now, we'd be in great shape.

Assuming that it's about trophies is a big assumption in the first place IMO. I have no doubt if we were offering Man City wages, he'd have penned a deal a long time ago. More often than not, it boils down to money.

[Power n Glory]

Fair point about the first case. Maybe other clubs do know exactly what the situation is - if Van Persie is looking to move, his agent would normally be generating some interest. But I really don't agree about the mud slinging from the club or Arsene hanging Robin out to dry. Of course the player's career is short but I think if our previous stars had shown just a bit more patience, we would really have a squad right now that is capable of winning trophies. And that's all you can build for.

Blaming the club for not winning trophies is silly given how tough the competition is. All you can expect the club to do is get a squad together that is among the best and is capable of winning trophies. I think if Nasri and Fabregas had stuck around, right now, we'd have a squad that was very much capable of challenging for the title. If we don't win, the players have to accept a lot of the blame themselves. Nobody can win trophies for them - it's up to them to earn it, and that's the only way a trophy means something. Van Persie wasn't given a fighting chance of winning a trophy last year because the squad was poor. I'm sure he would be upset with the club for that. But if Nasri and Fabregas were around, right now, we'd be in great shape.

Assuming that it's about trophies is a big assumption in the first place IMO. I have no doubt if we were offering Man City wages, he'd have penned a deal a long time ago. More often than not, it boils down to money.

No, even with Nasri and Cesc we were still short and the club refused to sign a defender in January even though we knew Vermaelen would be out for the whole season. We faffed about with the goalkeepers as well and started Almunia in goal for the season. If Fabianski hadn't have gotten himself injured, we may have dropped more points with that clutz in goal.

We don't buy players to build. We buy to replace and put out fires. That's what Poldoski and Giroud are about. They're replacements for Arshavin/Theo and RVP. If players don't leave, we don't buy. The players have to accept responsibility for loses but when the manager chooses to go into the season with an inexperienced squad and lack of quality in certain areas, there is only so much you can do.

[Munchies]

id swap rvp for de jong, dzeko and zabaleta.

I'd take De Jong but the other two aren't that great.

[GP]

Fair point about the first case. Maybe other clubs do know exactly what the situation is - if Van Persie is looking to move, his agent would normally be generating some interest. But I really don't agree about the mud slinging from the club or Arsene hanging Robin out to dry. Of course the player's career is short but I think if our previous stars had shown just a bit more patience, we would really have a squad right now that is capable of winning trophies. And that's all you can build for.

Blaming the club for not winning trophies is silly given how tough the competition is. All you can expect the club to do is get a squad together that is among the best and is capable of winning trophies. I think if Nasri and Fabregas had stuck around, right now, we'd have a squad that was very much capable of challenging for the title. If we don't win, the players have to accept a lot of the blame themselves. Nobody can win trophies for them - it's up to them to earn it, and that's the only way a trophy means something. Van Persie wasn't given a fighting chance of winning a trophy last year because the squad was poor. I'm sure he would be upset with the club for that. But if Nasri and Fabregas were around, right now, we'd be in great shape.

Assuming that it's about trophies is a big assumption in the first place IMO. I have no doubt if we were offering Man City wages, he'd have penned a deal a long time ago. More often than not, it boils down to money.

Of course It's about money.

Otherwise I assume he'll be entertaining offers from Celtic?