Random Arsenal Shit (When it's not worth starting a thread)

[HCZ_Reborn]

This is actually worth starting a thread.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scjy2gXyjgU

I can't believe I never saw this before. Quite simply one of the bet documentaries ever made, and I'm not sure they understood at the time how good it is when you can now compare it to the utterly fake game we have to put up with.

That was football lads. If you are too young to have been there and have grown upon Sky's diet of spectacular nothingness then I really feel for you. But you have at least the consolation that the game you love now was once based on something that was actually real.

Also, bringing it bang into the discussion, listen to that ref - was it a foul, was it offside, did he get a touch? No, no, yes. Then GOAL. Makes you wonder what sort of corruption (because we know non-corruption is always an option) the modern refs feast on.

Really recommend you watch this one if you haven't seen it already.

I actually watched this just before Christmas

What the incident you described reminded me of is how refs lacked the backbone to go against Ferguson at Old Trafford, and Liverpool had similar reputation for intimidating match officials. But the point is none of the players knew what they were appealing for, they just didn’t like going a goal down…that wasn’t meant to happen.


In that season they miked up David Ellery when Millwall played Arsenal (for a documentary or something). And Tony Adams called him a “cheating cunt”. And Ellery in his usual pompous school master style is giving Adams a dressing down, saying I don’t care if you swear at me but I won’t have you question my integrity and Adams in a weirdly high pitch voice responds I’m just frustrated.

Cameras rolling Ellery is in his dressing room at full time, and George Graham comes in and is about to go apeshit on him (don’t really know why Arsenal had won 2-1 in the end) sees that the cameras are rolling and excuses himself

[Niall_Quinn]

I actually watched this just before Christmas

What the incident you described reminded me of is how refs lacked the backbone to go against Ferguson at Old Trafford, and Liverpool had similar reputation for intimidating match officials. But the point is none of the players knew what they were appealing for, they just didn’t like going a goal down…that wasn’t meant to happen.


In that season they miked up David Ellery when Millwall played Arsenal (for a documentary or something). And Tony Adams called him a “cheating cunt”. And Ellery in his usual pompous school master style is giving Adams a dressing down, saying I don’t care if you swear at me but I won’t have you question my integrity and Adams in a weirdly high pitch voice responds I’m just frustrated.

Cameras rolling Ellery is in his dressing room at full time, and George Graham comes in and is about to go apeshit on him (don’t really know why Arsenal had won 2-1 in the end) sees that the cameras are rolling and excuses himself

I'm fully aware of the Liverpool effect.

What I mean is, when it really counted, that ref decided to do his job. We can give him some credit for that can we? Actually I remeber I was always okay when Hutchinson got one of our games. Ellery, of course, nobody would ever claim he was a good ref - not without a smirk at least.

It was just nice to see a ref that put football first, on that one occasion. And if I asked people, who reffed the game between Arsenal and Liverpool in 89, I bet few know.

Thing about that documentary is it's an irritable reminder about how much football was back then, how much better the player were, how much better the attitude was, how much better the relationship with the fans was, how much better society in general was, how much better the media was, how much better EVERYTHING was. Absolutely everything.

Try and deny it. We've gone backwards in all respects.

[Niall_Quinn]

Just wish I could go back and live then again. Impossible, nature of the game, but we have been so WEAK in terms of letting scum capture our lives. There's literally nothing to commend where we live now. Not one single thing. Name just one and prove me wrong.

[HCZ_Reborn]

I do deny it. I think it was just different. You transport that 1989 squad 35 years in the future and they wouldn’t cope in the premier league, simply because of the physical fitness levels required.

And as I say just because we weren’t at the stage we are now, doesn’t mean football was any less of a commodity. It wasn’t just division one it was Barclays division one. Liverpool were the red machine because of their spending power relative to other clubs, like man United in the premier league era, they had a truckload of southern fans who’d never been to Liverpool in their lives.

You had other attempts to buy success like with Robert Maxwell and Oxford United


The main difference was the Match showed league games on ITV once a week and there wasn’t this top 4 bollocks. But trying to claim it was this golden age where money didn’t influence the game is as I’ve said taking a rose tinted view of it

[Niall_Quinn]

I do deny it. I think it was just different. You transport that 1989 squad 35 years in the future and they wouldn’t cope in the premier league, simply because of the physical fitness levels required.

And as I say just because we weren’t at the stage we are now, doesn’t mean football was any less of a commodity. It wasn’t just division one it was Barclays division one. Liverpool were the red machine because of their spending power relative to other clubs, like man United in the premier league era, they had a truckload of southern fans who’d never been to Liverpool in their lives.

You had other attempts to buy success like with Robert Maxwell and Oxford United


The main difference was the Match showed league games on ITV once a week and there wasn’t this top 4 bollocks. But trying to claim it was this golden age where money didn’t influence the game is as I’ve said taking a rose tinted view of it

Bullshit. They'd annihilate every last team on this planet. As would ANY team from that league back then. Because it would be men against queers. And you might castigate me for the pejoratives, but honestly, can you imagine any of the so-called stars going up against Steve McMahon? Seriously? You are living in a fantasy made by Sky and the UEFA to explain away the insane fees they charge for people to participate in the peoples game. These modern lot can't even see out a season without replays. They are weak and pathetic. Theyld be destroyed in any sprt that doesn't pander.

The weird thing is, there's a ton of video. You can go back and watch men playing the game. And you can go forwards and watch faggots mincing about. And you claim the prancers would prevail? Explain.

[Niall_Quinn]

Another point is this. eventually you have to accept there is a pinnacle to any climb. Or you could instead say the pinnacle in never achievable, in which case everything is substandard.

Well, 89 was an actual pinnacle. Though you had to be there and live through it to understand how the impossible is entirely possible.

We live in a world of braindead, highly paid, "experts" Back then you could drink in the same pub as the players who were heading out on Saturday and they would give you their "non-educated" view. Just because queers don't frequent normal pubs and would never associate with the fans that pay their thoroughly undeserved and unearned wages doesn't mean faggots could ever compete with men. Don't go confusing Timber with Adams. Did you SEE Timber last week, falling over and clutching his face because somebody ran within a yard of him? That's not to say Timber couldn't be a man if he chose to be, but he instead chooses to be a faggot. And in those big monets, when everything is on the line, who are you going to back? men or mincers?

You are kind of proving the point. We couldn't beat Liverpool 2-0 and we'd never beat a bunch of arse bandits. Not so sure. Think we would have roundly spanked their arses and I think they would have liked it.

[HCZ_Reborn]

Bullshit. They'd annihilate every last team on this planet. As would ANY team from that league back then. Because it would be men against queers. And you might castigate me for the pejoratives, but honestly, can you imagine any of the so-called stars going up against Steve McMahon? Seriously? You are living in a fantasy made by Sky and the UEFA to explain away the insane fees they charge for people to participate in the peoples game. These modern lot can't even see out a season without replays. They are weak and pathetic. Theyld be destroyed in any sprt that doesn't pander.

The weird thing is, there's a ton of video. You can go back and watch men playing the game. And you can go forwards and watch faggots mincing about. And you claim the prancers would prevail? Explain.

I’m not castigating you for the pejoratives, I’m not Mac…I just think as I say you’ve got an emotional attachment to this time period that clouds your judgement. This whole being a real man shtick doesn’t wash, take a Steve McMahon type…yep he was a tough tackler no doubt…but players would just run past him in this day and age leaving him either in the dust or causing him to commit a career ending foul (either his career or the career of the player he’s after) because the speed of the person going past him.

End of the day toughness is more than just a mindset (sure that definitely helps) but these guys on the pitch at that time were drinkers, the kind of people who had beans on toast as a pre match meal…and as long as they could do a cross country run without being sick on themselves they’d be fine to play the game.


Today you have to be an athlete, a mixture of sports science, a fully planned diet…and lifestyle…telling you when to eat, when to shit, when to fuck your missus. A lot of people with talent don’t make it because they don’t have the discipline to switch off and live robotically and repetitively.

Real men vs poofs doesn’t really count for much as an argument weighed against that

[Niall_Quinn]

I’m not castigating you for the pejoratives, I’m not Mac…I just think as I say you’ve got an emotional attachment to this time period that clouds your judgement. This whole being a real man shtick doesn’t wash, take a Steve McMahon type…yep he was a tough tackler no doubt…but players would just run past him in this day and age leaving him either in the dust or causing him to commit a career ending foul (either his career or the career of the player he’s after) because the speed of the person going past him.

End of the day toughness is more than just a mindset (sure that definitely helps) but these guys on the pitch at that time were drinkers, the kind of people who had beans on toast as a pre match meal…and as long as they could do a cross country run without being sick on themselves they’d be fine to play the game.


Today you have to be an athlete, a mixture of sports science, a fully planned diet…and lifestyle…telling you when to eat, when to shit, when to fuck your missus. A lot of people with talent don’t make it because they don’t have the discipline to switch off and live robotically and repetitively.

Real men vs poofs doesn’t really count for much as an argument weighed against that

No, no, no. That was the whole point. You absolutely didn't run past Steve McMahon because held kick you up in the fucking air. That was the point you were making earlier, Ellery would wave play on! Why are you so confident players today would do so well against actual sportsmen, given they have every advantage in a non-contact sport yet STILL can't beat their man? Do you have any ap[preciation of how good Peter Beardsley had to be to become one of the best one-on-one players in the game? It doesn't make sense, I don't care if they are these amazing athletes, they are untalented, simple as. They can't do their jobs and on the rare occasion when one emerges who can (in one match) they suddenly have a 100 mil fee attached.

Okay, I bet there are some players today who could have hacked it (no pun) back in the day because they are that good. Ronaldo, Messi, Bendtner, but come on. One of the est who ever played, Pele, would make Musk blush at the amount of time he entered orbit. Yet he still broke records. Put any of your ultra hyped, ultra fit pussies into his environment and please, at least be honest.

[Niall_Quinn]

And look at their hair. Yes they are total poofs.

[Mac76]

And look at their hair. Yes they are total poofs.

and of course everyone in the good old days had really manly haircuts, right?