Random Arsenal Shit (When it's not worth starting a thread)

[HCZ_Reborn]

Feels like the period with Wenger when were calendar year champions but you just knew it wasn’t going to amount to anything.

I think whether it amounts to anything depends entirely on what we do this summer

As per my previous post, the only barrier to us is goal scoring. My personal preference would be for a winger, an attacking midfielder and two strikers.

If this meant Zubimendi doesn’t come in, and we kept Partey for another year….so be it.

Sesko, Delap and Rodgers would be my preference, strength and ability and the capacity to get better. Nico Williams? Maybe but I think that’s more of a luxury signing

[Marc Overmars]

It would be the most Arsenal thing ever if we spent big on the attack but then went to shit in other areas anyway.

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I think whether it amounts to anything depends entirely on what we do this summer

As per my previous post, the only barrier to us is goal scoring. My personal preference would be for a winger, an attacking midfielder and two strikers.

If this meant Zubimendi doesn’t come in, and we kept Partey for another year….so be it.

Sesko, Delap and Rodgers would be my preference, strength and ability and the capacity to get better. Nico Williams? Maybe but I think that’s more of a luxury signing

A really good analysis of what we need in our team.

The minimum this summer should be recruiting 2 proper CFs and a winger. I also think Zubimendi should be sacrificed as we cannot make the same mistakes we made last summer in strengthening positions that are not the weak spot of this team and then mainly playing those players out of position to correct the initial folly.

As for the attacking midfielder, is that person cover for Odegaard? Probably after this season is over I actually might try and look back at our games as I'm interested in how we dealt with teams that employed the "low block" with Odegaard in the team. I have thought for a while his style of play might actually be exacerbating this problem and could be one of the reasons this tactic is so potent against us compared to our other rivals.

In short I am saying we might benefit from playing a more direct playmaker in this scenario, one who aims to beat players and appear to go for it on his own....my dream would be a mix of Yaya and KDB. I also think Morgan Rodgers you mentioned earlier would be great in this role. Eze too wouldn't be a bad shout.

Anyway, as for cover for Odegaard, I don't think we need to spend heavily or take it as a priority as I still feel Nwaneri can do the job. Also with the way Dowman is progressing, we could be breaking another teenager in their soon enough. Also with the countless DMs we'll probably still have and of course Havertz who should not be starting as our CF, we should be ok even if we decided not to go to the market.

So, Mikel if you are listening, we plead by whatever deity you take seriously, we do not need anymore defenders!

[Mac76]

we do not need anymore defenders!

In all seriousness there's a case for a left back

yes I know "we've got like literally one MILLION leftbacks!!!"

except we haven't:

Zin is no kind of defender at all

Timber's not very good at LB and much more needed on the right as a RB or RCB

Tomi's finished

Calafiori isn't a good defender and is injury prone

Saka's needed elsewhere...

Kiwior's not a very good LB also I think he will want to get more playing time elsewhere so will go (which btw may mean we may need another CB too)

and ofc Tierney, who is a very good orthodox LB, is going which is a huge mistake IMO as he's good and can provide something different to change tactics in-game or between games

So that just leaves MLS and I'd argue we need more if we're serious about winning things

Go on, knock me down but I'm right

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In all seriousness there's a case for a left back

yes I know "we've got like literally one MILLION leftbacks!!!"

except we haven't:

Zin is no kind of defender at all

Timber's not very good at LB and much more needed on the right as a RB or RCB

Tomi's finished

Calafiori isn't a good defender and is injury prone

Saka's needed elsewhere...

Kiwior's not a very good LB also I think he will want to get more playing time elsewhere so will go (which btw may mean we may need another CB too)

and ofc Tierney, who is a very good orthodox LB, is going which is a huge mistake IMO as he's good and can provide something different to change tactics in-game or between games

So that just leaves MLS and I'd argue we need more if we're serious about winning things

Go on, knock me down but I'm right

Definitely not knocking you, as what you say makes sense in the context of the manager we are dealing with.

However, LB cannot be a priority as we currently have more players that can play that single position than any other in the team, and I list them according to my preference:

MLS
Caliafiori
Tavares ( people forget this guy is still under contract and we are likely to make a huge loss due to Arteta's stupidity again)
Tomiyasu
Zinchenko
Timber
Kiwior

So we've got 7 players contracted that can play and have played this role in the past even without Tierney.

Something tells me even if we sanctioned Arteta going for 2 more players in that role, he'd still be confused. Maybe one day he'll realise the problem with the left isn't the quality of the LBs, but further up field i.e. the players the LB has to link with and the way they play ( his Xhaka replacements coupled with Trossard and Martinelli).

[HCZ_Reborn]

In all seriousness there's a case for a left back

yes I know "we've got like literally one MILLION leftbacks!!!"

except we haven't:

Zin is no kind of defender at all

Timber's not very good at LB and much more needed on the right as a RB or RCB

Tomi's finished

Calafiori isn't a good defender and is injury prone

Saka's needed elsewhere...

Kiwior's not a very good LB also I think he will want to get more playing time elsewhere so will go (which btw may mean we may need another CB too)

and ofc Tierney, who is a very good orthodox LB, is going which is a huge mistake IMO as he's good and can provide something different to change tactics in-game or between games

So that just leaves MLS and I'd argue we need more if we're serious about winning things

Go on, knock me down but I'm right

I think Calafiori is probably a better centre back than left back but actually I consider that him and MLS being used on a rotational basis is fine. Buying defenders is an addiction that we need to curb ourselves off, if we are that worried about a backup for MLS than bring Tavares back into the squad…either that or hope that Tomiyasu has been out so long that in that time medical science has finally concluded what causes him to keep breaking down

Plus let’s be fair, full back is the least important area on the pitch…the obsession Arteta has with it has been damaging to our transfer plans for years…it needs to end.

[HCZ_Reborn]

Definitely not knocking you, as what you say makes sense in the context of the manager we are dealing with.

However, LB cannot be a priority as we currently have more players that can play that single position than any other in the team, and I list them according to my preference:

MLS
Caliafiori
Tavares ( people forget this guy is still under contract and we are likely to make a huge loss due to Arteta's stupidity again)
Tomiyasu
Zinchenko
Timber
Kiwior

So we've got 7 players contracted that can play and have played this role in the past even without Tierney.

Something tells me even if we sanctioned Arteta going for 2 more players in that role, he'd still be confused. Maybe one day he'll realise the problem with the left isn't the quality of the LBs, but further up field i.e. the players the LB has to link with and the way they play ( his Xhaka replacements coupled with Trossard and Martinelli).

I know you’ve got a bit of a dislike for Martinelli but last couple of games surely even you’ve seen a player that looks in the best form he’s been in for ages. Trossard? Well I think he was only ever meant to be a squad player and in that capacity I think he’s performed admirably and when as I expect he will, goes in the summer I hope he does well wherever he chooses to spend the autumn of his career.

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I know you’ve got a bit of a dislike for Martinelli but last couple of games surely even you’ve seen a player that looks in the best form he’s been in for ages. Trossard? Well I think he was only ever meant to be a squad player and in that capacity I think he’s performed admirably and when as I expect he will, goes in the summer I hope he does well wherever he chooses to spend the autumn of his career.

Well your first statement is based on an incorrect assumption as I've never disliked Martinelli, it's always been the contrary as TBH he's one of those players who it's difficult to dislike on a personal level.

But I do get what you are insinuating, which is I've not really been supportive of him, which is 100% correct as I still don't think he is the answer to our issues on the left, or , more importantly, ever will be.

Now contrast that with Trossard, who I assume you think I "like" (I actually prefer Martnelli as a person) but I have been more supportive of due to his impact in games .

Anyway, I'm in agreement with you. Martnelli is in better form than Trossard currently and TBH I am looking forward to getting rid of Trossard this summer as I've really hated his attitude in some games this season. Once I see something like that, I can't unsee it or get past it, especially if you've not done enough for this team to afford me giving you the benefit of doubt.

However, it remains my opinion, a Trossard playing at his best exceeds Martnelli (at his best), but that means little if these moments are erratic as both these player have proven to be for the past 2 seasons.

So yeah, I'd take this current Martinelli over Trossard, all things considered.

But I'd rather we stop wasting time, go out, rip these poor excuses for bandaids, and spend good money and put someone on the left that is close to Saka level (Lookman, Nico etc.); and BTW he (Saka) is probably the only player in this team I am loyal to and irrational about (Gabriel is also growing on me slowly).

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I think Calafiori is probably a better centre back than left back but actually I consider that him and MLS being used on a rotational basis is fine. Buying defenders is an addiction that we need to curb ourselves off, if we are that worried about a backup for MLS than bring Tavares back into the squad…either that or hope that Tomiyasu has been out so long that in that time medical science has finally concluded what causes him to keep breaking down

Plus let’s be fair, full back is the least important area on the pitch…the obsession Arteta has with it has been damaging to our transfer plans for years…it needs to end.

I doubt there would be any other manager who has played 8 players in one role in the past 2 seasons.

Just think about it, if he'd shown this must interest in the CF position...we'd probably have won something by now

[HCZ_Reborn]

I’m not talking about on a personal level I’m talking about as a player

I have no idea nor do I especially care what players are like as people, unless it’s causing disharmony which has a detrimental effect on team performance

So for any avoidance of doubt I mean you dislike Martinelli as a player, I think he’s an exceptionally good player who has been mismanaged. There’s something I’ve seen of Nico Williams that makes me think he’s anything special, he’s another pace merchant who looks good when he’s got space to operate in but there’s just as many times where he’s reminded me of Gervinho.

Lookman got his chance of premier league football with Everton….a hard pass.