I got you weren’t being serious. But not in the mood to be bothered with facetiousnessOriginally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...
I’ll be philosophical tomorrow…possibly
I got you weren’t being serious. But not in the mood to be bothered with facetiousness
I’ll be philosophical tomorrow…possibly
This game was not a contest, it was a complete mismatch. The second half at the Emirates against them was also the same.
We’ve done remarkably well this season but now we’ve firmly been put back in our place. The real disappointment comes from the shit shows that preceded this game because I think we all suspected that tonight would pan out how it did no matter what form we were in.
My only hope now is that we don’t give up and let them stroll to the title. At least take it as far as possible, although it’s difficult to see where the points are going to come from. Chelsea are fucking shit but would anyone be shocked if they got one over on us at the moment?
Speaking of that Chelsea game, I want to see several changes made next week. Certain players are no longer deserving of their place in the starting 11 IMO. Things need to be freshened up.
Yes City were ruthlessly good - what a performance from KDB - but to be so pathetically second best isn't good enough and i put that down to Arteta's refusal to change anything - it's actually not good for the starting players to all know they will always start every week, regardless of the performance they put in - competition is healthy
Arteta has let this season slip through abdicating any responsiblity for thinking about different tactics, players or formations and just doing the same thing each week
I'm really worried about who he might ditch in the summer, not just Tierney but Nelson, Balogun and god knows who else, that could be real assets in the future if we kept them and gave them a decent amount of minutes
This is exactly why i said the club needed to think about whether he actually is the right person to take things forward, people can mock it but everything i thought about him is being shown to be true and he shows no sign of realising his faults
Last edited by Mac76; 26-04-2023 at 09:35 PM.
Holding, Xhaka, Zinchenko, Saka, Jesus and Odegaard also deserve to be dropped
I would drop Partey but we have no one we can play in central midfield
Play Ramsdale, Tierney, Kiwior, Gabriel, White, Jorginho, Partey, Smith Rowe, Martinelli, Trossard and Nelson
Changing a manager is a cost benefit analysis
And ultimately as an Analysis it fails when the question is posed…is there an immediately better candidate out there?
And the answer is no. Not because Arteta is so good but because most coaches are pretty average and it feels like it would be utterly silly to consider wanting to ditch him without a consideration of who would be an improvement
It’s not that no one gets your frustration with Arteta….we all do, I can’t stand the guy. I would be Arteta out if anyone stood out to me as an obvious step up.
I like Patrick Vieira personally, but his time with Crystal Palace wasn’t great and he doesn’t have a more than average record to boast of anywhere else.
My feeling is I wanted Arteta gone at the end of last season, but what we’ve done this season has met my expectation that he does deserve to continue being the coach for the time being
However, next season if we don’t make the right signings in the transfer market and sort out the issues in central midfield, have competent cover for Saliba and stop making pointless luxury signings like Zinchenko and Vieira. If we don’t make a dent in the champions league and we don’t maintain the high standard in the league especially as United will go berserk in the transfer market in the summer as will Newcastle. If we don’t challenge for the league, If we don’t get to the 1/4 finals of the champions league at a minimum then yes it’s time to part ways with Captain Black
Last edited by HCZ_Reborn; 26-04-2023 at 09:52 PM.
If Arteta doesn’t ring in the changes for Chelsea next week he’s fucking mad.
This team is dead on its feet at the moment, totally bereft of confidence. They’ve absolutely shat the bed and it’s hard to believe this is the same crop that took us to the top of the league.
sure i get that and i admit I don't know who's out there, but Brighton found a very good manager seemingly easily so it's not beyond possibility, anyway it won't happen I know but I won't be feeling as upbeat as i should this summer about next season, unless i see some kind of sign that Arteta has learnt something
agree, the league is gone so he needs to just free things up selection-wise - players like Nelson and Trossard definitely deserve to start
Brighton has a set up where any half competent coach could step in and be reasonably successful
Fantastically run club but it’s also essentially a mid table club punching ever so slightly above its weight.
Chelsea and Tottenham need to be more instructive of where dismissing someone with no idea who you bring in can go wrong.
What I’d prefer if we are talking about Brighton is to have a system where who the coach is, is not overly relevant…because you’ve got a coaching set up that works autonomously.
What concerns me most about Arteta was on display in an interview he gave earlier to BT sport. Patrick Vieira asked him “what have you done to boost the players spirits and make them believe it’s not over” and Arteta replied “they know it’s not over”.
I don’t think Klopp or Guardiola are particularly great at rotating their squad, what they are far better at Arteta at is instilling confidence. Those Liverpool players would lie down in the middle of a motorway for Klopp because he has a big personality, can sell what he’s trying to do. Arteta despite Letters’ mockery for me pointing it out, doesn’t have that…he’s an introvert…not a people person.
Have they, though?
I mean, you could look at Liverpool as 2 points dropped, but Liverpool aren’t a bad side despite their wobbles this year and they’ve got an excellent home record. Given the chances they had at the end you could equally see that as a point gained. West Ham was a shit show, no dispute that was 2 points dropped. Southampton…well, you could argue that if you’re 3-1 down at 88 minutes then rescuing a point isn’t bad…but you really shouldn’t be 3-1 down at home to the bottom side. So I’m more inclined to see that as silly points dropped. But you can offset that by games like Bournemouth where we got an important 3 points late on when it looked like we were going to lose. Overall it’s been 24 points in 10 games, it’s a points rate which over a season should win you the league or get you close. I can’t really fault our response to losing vs City.
But let’s say we had won all 3 of the above. We’d be 8 points above City and they’d have 2 games in hand. Which is basically 2 points. That’s only a draw when they win and they’d be above us on goal difference.
As we’ve seen in the head to heads they’re just better than us. They’re better than everyone, I don’t think anyone else has dominated us like that this season. And they’re just a relentless machine. I am disappointed we’ve made it easier for them than we should have but I can’t help feel they’d have run us down in the end anyway with our run in. As good as we’ve been we were in a slightly false position with 3 of the top 6 to play away in the run in.
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