So its official: Henry was a much better player for Arsenal than Bergkamp

[Cripps_orig]

Bergkamp was a Spurs fan. #justsayin

What a cunt

Henry

[BOBN]

Disagree

Bergkamp took us up a few levels. Henry came in when we were already challenging for titles.

if you ask any united fan they will tell you they felt sorry for the rest of the premier league between 1999 and 2001 because their domination was so total. strolled to 2 title defences. bergkamp and arsenal? nowhere to be seen.

[Cripps_orig]

if you ask any united fan they will tell you they felt sorry for the rest of the premier league between 1999 and 2001 because their domination was so total. strolled to 2 title defences. bergkamp and arsenal? nowhere to be seen.

Yeah 2nd is a bit shit tbh

[BOBN]

Th14 is the better player. I'd put him alongside all time greats. Part of the reason why he is not looked as highly as DB10 by some may be because he did not stay at Arsenal all his career. Chances are even IF he wanted to, AW's policy of over 30s would have had him looking elsewhere.

TH >> DB as a player
DB >> TH as a loyal Arsenal player

and im telling you, he was emotionally scarred by his inter milan experience. once he recovered and was comfortable at arsenal he wasnt going to risk that by testing himself again in a tougher league (at the time) in spain. and no italian club would touch him.

im still waiting for someone to explain why a player who was better than cryuff and van basten flopped in italy btw.

this thread isnt just about henry and the statue. van persies achievements this calender year put bergkamps achievements into persepective imo. thats a so-called second striker who is proving that playing as a forward is playing as a forward is playing as a forward. you get goals and there are no excuses.

[Cripps_orig]

Back on topic

Have these statues been made yet? I didnt read the first post.

Was too busy laughing and still am tbh about BOBNs views on Arsenals greatest player

[IBK]

I think most people saying they don't care about Fabregas leaving genuinely don't care that he left. Myself included. I want players who are committed - and though it might be hard for glory-hunters to understand - there are more important things than wanting to count your team trophies. I didn't want a team centred around somebody who didn't want to be here; what we've found recently is that more players are taking responsibility (from Jenkinson onwards) and the workrate going up is clearly visible.

Regarding Henry, being the 'best' is subjective based on whatever criteria you want to choose. In terms of footballing talent, I think Bergkamp was better. I'm not 'butthurt' by Henry leaving for thinking that, and you're being childish for suggesting so. Unlike the Cesc situation, I was of course disappointed that Henry wanted to go, as many would've been, but at this stage nobody would be annoyed with Henry's decision. I think Henry was the better all-rounder but Bergkamp was unique and best at what he did.

In any case, this thread was started about a statue. A statue should honour club legends and those that have contributed the most to Arsenal. You don't need to be the best player to be the bigger club legend. Messi must be close to becoming the best player of all time but if Messi joined us tomorrow, he wouldn't be a club legend automatically. Nevertheless Bergkamp's contribution to Arsenal's success starts before Henry came. There's not much difference between Henry and Bergkamp in terms of ability or contribution. The intelligent observer will look beyond goals and trophies. Pretending that there is a clear right answer is childish/WUMing.

Unsurprisingly

[GP]

Syn has owned this thread.

[IBK]

Syn has owned this thread.

Dignified it, even.

[Xhaka Can’t]

He's running down Bergkamp in comparison to Henry, which although a bit rude is spot on. Henry scored more than double the goals that Bergkamp did during his time here (226 to 104) and almost matched Bergkamp's goals with his assists alone (104 to 92). Easy to write those stats off if Henry was a goalpoacher like Owen, Shearer etc but we all know he was much more than that.

Bergkamp was a top player, amongst the best to play the game during his time but should have achieved more and doesn't come close to Zidane, Pele, Maradona etc. Henry on the other hand imo was miles better and has a chance (albeit small) to be considered in that bracket.

Going to have to disagree with you. I saw the change Bergkamp brought to the Club. To say it was revolutionary is not overstating things. A vast improvement and change in style at Arsenal predated Wenger's arrival by a year and it was in the main orchestrated by Bergkamp. I often struggle with the question of who was the best Arsenal player of all time and it is a struggle between those two, but it is the revolutionary change that Bergkamp initiated that ends up deciding it for me.

Neither of the two players we are disgussing need to be denigrated at all - we were incredibly lucky to have both and I will be boring the shit out of my grandchildren in my dotage talking about them.

[Xhaka Can’t]

I think most people saying they don't care about Fabregas leaving genuinely don't care that he left. Myself included. I want players who are committed - and though it might be hard for glory-hunters to understand - there are more important things than wanting to count your team trophies. I didn't want a team centred around somebody who didn't want to be here; what we've found recently is that more players are taking responsibility (from Jenkinson onwards) and the workrate going up is clearly visible.

Regarding Henry, being the 'best' is subjective based on whatever criteria you want to choose. In terms of footballing talent, I think Bergkamp was better. I'm not 'butthurt' by Henry leaving for thinking that, and you're being childish for suggesting so. Unlike the Cesc situation, I was of course disappointed that Henry wanted to go, as many would've been, but at this stage nobody would be annoyed with Henry's decision. I think Henry was the better all-rounder but Bergkamp was unique and best at what he did.

In any case, this thread was started about a statue. A statue should honour club legends and those that have contributed the most to Arsenal. You don't need to be the best player to be the bigger club legend. Messi must be close to becoming the best player of all time but if Messi joined us tomorrow, he wouldn't be a club legend automatically. Nevertheless Bergkamp's contribution to Arsenal's success starts before Henry came. There's not much difference between Henry and Bergkamp in terms of ability or contribution. The intelligent observer will look beyond goals and trophies. Pretending that there is a clear right answer is childish/WUMing.

Bullseye.