Or just die, because they'd have to fuck off by default in that case.Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
Or just die, because they'd have to fuck off by default in that case.
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That means nothing to these people. They still won't go.
I agree totally.
We have all seen managers, like players, go stale at clubs for reasons other than to do with their latent talent. Whatever AW's merits, and there are many, he no longer seems willing, or able, to take the decisions needed to get the most out of our resources (both financial and playing wise). Both his methods and his ideas certainly seem to have stagnated at AFC.
I think the situation is best summed up by asking whether, in 1996, a younger Wenger would have felt that the power and prestige of clubs like United and Liverpool was a bar to him achieving success at Arsenal? Of course not. And yet the current version likes nothing better than talking about being unable to compete with the likes of Citeh. Yes times have changed and Citeh and the Chavs have taken spending to a new level - but we are talking a mindset, a committment and an ambition here - all traits that seem to have ebbed away a bit from Wenger.
What concerns me most of all is that under Wenger there has, and continues to be, an errosion of expectation and belief around our club. Lose enough times to sub-standard opposition; make enough individual errors; go into game with no plan b, and continue to field struggling or below par players often enough and you lose the winning habit. This is what's happened to us. The opposite is what has happened at United, who can continue to challenge for the title with a team much less talented that they were in their pomp.
There is no guarantee whatsoever that a replacement would do any better, but it seems to me to be an extension of the lack of ambition that many Gooners are accusing the club of to refuse to make a managerial change simply because the alternative might not work out. How far should Wenger take us down the league before we deem the risk of a change to be acceptable?
In any event, setting aside for a moment the financial issues, once we finish outside the top four, and trophyless, is there really that much difference in terms of attracting sponsorship, players, supporters between, say 5th place and 10th? I'd say the likelihood of slipping even further down the league while a new manager finds his feet is fairly remote, given a) the calibre of players that a new manager would have to work with, and b) the fact that even the current owners and board will be motivated to attract someone with a decent reputation, if only to protect their investment. And lets not forget the size of pay packet that AW receives. It stands to reason that a similar sum would be made available to secure a talented successor.
Putting the laughter back into manslaughter
Now despite being an Arsenal fan for over 40 years and all that implies, I will ask this. If Citeh and Chavs have reached such a height because they are prepared to spend over half a billion each on players, how come Harry Rednapp can go to Tottenham and have them motivated to where, at the moment, they are title challengers? And in that last sentence, there is a keyword - "motivated".
i'm not sure 3 years and one year 'challenging' for the title with 15 years is a fair comparison - fergie is a freak of nature, history tells you that 5-10 years max is the prime period for a manager to retain an edge at the same club.
I think it's reasonable to think Wenger had a chance of competing with Man Utd, Newcastle, Liverpool in '96 than competing with Man City now. When he came, he knew a lot of shit that other managers didn't. He knew all this Japanese dietary stuff, training methods and knew about all these French players that no-one had much idea of. He had that knowledge and he exploited it. Now that information has become far more transparent, the role of the manager is more towards motivating players. And maybe he's not good at that.
Fully agree with TEG's comment earlier. I firmly believe our squad was good enough to win the league last season (and the season before). Wenger can collect all the ingredients needed (well, players, anyway) but that's where it ends.
i don't think it is as black and white as that, mainly because of the injuries.
i just don't get it, i really don't. every single season we lose big players for a long time and are not able to cope. the club were even proudly boasting about our new start of the art facilities based on american sports science and yet we are suffering again.
why? what on gods earth is the problem with the medical team - it makes such little sense considering wengers background and belief in precise preparation. this more than anything has ruined the past 3 seasons at least.
Preaching to the choir. I'm been moaning my tits off about the no.1 problem at the club™ (injuries) for ages. It's always the main reason for our annual collapse. But I don't accept it as 'luck' any more because I think it's too persistent to be luck. We're doing something wrong. I am guessing there is not enough weight being put on it. Before every game Wenger says "we have x,y,z to come back which will make us stronger" but no-one ever asks "hang on, why are x,y,z always out? We are we always topping the injury table?". And it's possible that they have considered it but just haven't found a solution. Either way, enough time has passed and we can't wait forever for him to find a solution to it. So he has to be judged with injuries being his problem, not 'luck'.
Yeah - if Wenger was director of football with a motivating and tactical manager handling the team for matches, that would maybe do the trick.
Harry has always been good with players tbf and imo had he been at UTD or a Chavs or with us before spuds he'd have probs won the league ages ago. Wenger is not and has never been a motivator that isthe diffrence and for those who are in doubt the games after the cc final last season will tell you so.
Problem with wenger as much as he wants to win things he seems to be more motivated to balance the books or do things this way the right way in his eyes. As much as i don't my him protecting his players with his "i did not see it" nonsense he needs to man up and let them too as well.
even fabregas last season behaved like a whinging spoilt brat who thought if he don't get his way he had the right to complain. Like the tractor boy comment. that comes down from the manager to the players.
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