I didn't say that did I? I was talking about COMPETING against the best teams in the competition, rather than limply exiting the competition in the 2nd round/quarter finals. All the club hierarchy talk about is qualifying for the Champions League, never about actually trying to win it. I'm not saying we should win the tournament every season, that's impossible because there are too many top sides. It's about showing some ambition in terms of our signings so that we can actually give it a go. That's what football should be about. If Wenger had shown more ambition, and made it clear he was looking to win the Champions League and backed it up with top quality signings, then people wouldn't complain so much. We may not have won it even then, but at least the effort was there.