Match Reaction Arsenal vs United

[Fist of Lehmann]

There we go. We have a winner.

How do you make any kind of rational leap from what I said to "we have no money"?

[GP]

Rational

[Power n Glory]

Ah, so ends the debate and on to the personal stuff. Didn't take long.



If signing Ozil didn't excite people then they are hard to excite. We tried for other players too, didn't get them. Plenty was said about that at the time. Wenger didn't spend the whole £70mill, but we spent £42mill on one player. How is that the same old Arsenal and how can people seriously claim that's not a significant shift? I was probably the loudest voice shouting against the board and the manager's financial policies. Then they proved me wrong with a massive outlay on a genuinely world class addition to the squad. When are others going to give up on the obviously nonsense argument that things are the same as they have always been? True, we haven't done EVERYTHING in one hit, is that what people are having a problem with? True as well, Wenger continues to perplex us with some of his decision making. It's frustrating. But considering these guys are starting to deliver what they promised all along then why will some of the fans not give them a chance to proceed? Not only that but we are still competing in this title race. We have stumbled but only to the same degree as our opposition. We may be fucking up against direct rivals, but the opposition are fucking up against relegation candidates FFS. If Wenger is so shit then how shit are Maureen and Pellegrini? How much cash will those guys have to throw at buying the league before people notice the return on their investment is a tiny fraction compared to ours?

I'm not excusing Wenger's team selection or his tactics or the form of Wilshere or any of the other factors some here are gleefully honing in on. What I'm saying is we've done better than expected on the pitch, we're doing marvellously well off the pitch. What's so intolerable about sticking behind the club at this key moment when all the shit we have put up with starts to unwind in our favour? One of the camps is going to look bloody stupid come the summer and in subsequent years. Either we've been had, in which case that will generate a lot of anger, or what the board and manager have been working towards for 10 years will yield results. I'd rather run the risk of looking a fool for backing the team than trashing the team in advance by studiously ignoring the very evident changes that have been taking place. We haven't done it all in one hit, true. Is that in any way realistic? Not really. But the momentum is forward. Some moan when we go forward and moan when we go back. Some want to blow it up at the last minute, almost a last ditch desperation to be proved right. In reality there are lots of toys from lots of prams being thrown by lots of spoiled kids. Here we are, on the verge of stepping up to the big stage, having done it without financial doping, a point off the lead, big games in Europe coming up, players like Ozil on the pitch. Most fans would give their right arm but some of ours will only go as far as sticking two fingers in the air. And while most of them will be gushing if things keep moving ahead, there will still be those who moan. They'll always find something. It's boring.

That's not an insult. You knew what I was getting at regarding the funds and strengthening the squad. Ozil was a an exciting purchase and I'm not going to debate that but it shouldn't take a lengthy debate to figure out why I'm annoyed. All this talk of toys out of the pram...you're taking the piss.

True, we haven't done EVERYTHING in one hit, is that what people are having a problem with?

Yes, that's my problem because I don't think you understand how huge an opportunity this is for us. Why in the world aren't we making the most of our resources when the odds are so stacked against us? As said, those oil rich clubs won't stand still next season and I would have liked for us to have been more ruthless with our title chase. The other issues regarding management, I've outlined in another post, so I won't go on and on. This opportunity may not come again like this and we should be going full pelt for it since we're up against clubs with unlimited resources.

[Özim]

Rational

rational

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1. based on or in accordance with reason or logic.

[Power n Glory]

How do you make any kind of rational leap from what I said to "we have no money"?

I didn't say anything about having no money. I just knew we'd start speculating about how much Wenger actually has to spend and what's been made available as you've just demonstrated. It's all very long winded and we've had these sort of debates before.

[Fist of Lehmann]

I didn't say anything about having no money. I just knew we'd start speculating about how much Wenger actually has to spend and what's been made available as you've just demonstrated. It's all very long winded and we've had these sort of debates before.

There was no speculation in my post.

There was something about the fallacy of taking revenue for profit.

And there was something about the fallacy of taking transfer fees at face value.

[Blink 1nce Quince 2wice]

That's untrue. Wenger had £70m last summer and he said more was coming in as seen with the Puma deal. 'We can do things that will excite you'. Remember that? When Ivan was talking crazy, Wenger was looking at cheap deals for Sanogo and Flamini, talking bollocks about Sanogo not making the headlines because he doesn't cost £50m. The kid has yet to feature for us and he's been injured all season. It pisses me off the more I think about.

http://metro.co.uk/2013/06/07/ivan-g...sfers-3832068/

Yes....that did irritate me somewhat to say the least.

Arguably the most ominous omen was Wenger's line in the summer about working towards competing at the top level in the next 2/3 years. I died a slow, quiet death that day and could barely believe what I was hearing.

As much as I am glad he remains and want him to continue I cannot escape the nagging feeling that the manager just doesn't fully accept or want the challenge of managing a top club in football in its modern day incarnation and malevolent-quasi-bastard form. I feel he is too ingrained and indoctrinated to football and Arsenal to come to that realisation candidly and walk away from it all.

I hope I am wrong and that the continuation of flogging the future either ceases or slows down. We do not want to see the club come of age in the future with someone else at the helm, we want to see it come of age now, with you at the helm Arsene. Least I do anyway

And I actually think Wilshere was okay yesterday aside from a few moments. I must be mad...

[Blink 1nce Quince 2wice]

Whilst what Fisherman says is right....the real value of players nearly always far exceeds the numbers we associate with; there is no doubt we could have had our cake and eaten it last summer. We knowingly targeted two positions as the prime positions to recruit in and we did not manage to wholesomely meet that ambition in either position.

[Power n Glory]

Whilst what Fisherman says is right....the real value of players nearly always far exceeds the numbers we associate with; there is no doubt we could have had our cake and eaten it last summer. We knowingly targeted two positions as the prime positions to recruit in and we did not manage to wholesomely meet that ambition in either position.

That's the key point I think he's missing. We haven't done all we can with our resources this season.

[Power n Glory]

Yes....that did irritate me somewhat to say the least.

Arguably the most ominous omen was Wenger's line in the summer about working towards competing at the top level in the next 2/3 years. I died a slow, quiet death that day and could barely believe what I was hearing.

As much as I am glad he remains and want him to continue I cannot escape the nagging feeling that the manager just doesn't fully accept or want the challenge of managing a top club in football in its modern day incarnation and malevolent-quasi-bastard form. I feel he is too ingrained and indoctrinated to football and Arsenal to come to that realisation candidly and walk away from it all.

I hope I am wrong and that the continuation of flogging the future either ceases or slows down. We do not want to see the club come of age in the future with someone else at the helm, we want to see it come of age now, with you at the helm Arsene. Least I do anyway

And I actually think Wilshere was okay yesterday aside from a few moments. I must be mad...

There was an article posted up somewhere that most fans don't want a change in management just for our manager to change and adapt his methods. I'm happy for Wenger to stay another 10 years if he's willing to adjust. I just can't believe we're making the same sort of tactical mistakes on and off field year after year. That's what frustrates me to the core.