Wenger Referendum II - And this time it's personal

[Power n Glory]

I agree with a lot of your post, and I agree with this part to an extent - we went through a phase years ago when we weren't that good a side but we did raise it for the big games and often got good results in them but overall we weren't much good. But I do see that Utd game as significant because it was a cup quarter final. You can't sensibly say there's no pressure in that scenario.

We need to finish the job in the Cup. We really should win on Saturday, the Final is all on the day, especially if it's Liverpool, but we've shown we've got nothing to fear from them. If we do that (I don't care as much about 2nd place, it would be nice but I'd rather have a trophy) then two trophies in two years gives us some momentum.

Do Man Utd still strike fear in your heart? They’re just Man Utd in name. I wouldn’t hold them up as that team to beat these days. We should have put the whooping on them last season under Moyes. Hold that up as sign of improvement if you want, but I won’t because that result came not so long after us losing 3-1 to Monaco. I know if Wenger could swap the results for those ties, he’d do it in a heartbeat.

[fakeyank]

No. No we don't

You serious?! I (and other posters) have given you multiple examples of similar runs. At least, there are people with the decency to accept when they are wrong. You are just going on and on about something that has been proven by facts. What are you smoking or drinking or injecting?

[Maestro]

Unfortunately we've had one too many false dawns and some real disappointments. The only measure of success or progress left and acceptable to most fans, is delivering the title.

Thierry was asked that very question in the studio last weekend I think, "what constitutes a successful season for arsenal? would it be a successful season if arsenal finished in the top four and won the FA Cup?"

His answer: "no that would not be a success. success for arsenal should be winning the title, anything less is not good enough"

Sadly Wenget does not share that mentality, along with some fans. The FA Cup is nice and a good trophy to win, but there is no way anyone is going to convince me it's a major trophy. So could this team win the title, ....yes I think so .....with Wenger in charge? ....doubt that very much.

Anyway this particular debate is now redundant, coz he's not going anywhere until "he" decides to.

[Globalgunner]

Unfortunately we've had one too many false dawns and some real disappointments. The only measure of success or progress left and acceptable to most fans, is delivering the title.

Thierry was asked that very question in the studio last weekend I think, "what constitutes a successful season for arsenal? would it be a successful season if arsenal finished in the top four and won the FA Cup?"

His answer: "no that would not be a success. success for arsenal should be winning the title, anything less is not good enough"

Sadly Wenget does not share that mentality, along with some fans. The FA Cup is nice and a good trophy to win, but there is no way anyone is going to convince me it's a major trophy. So couldd this team win the title, ....yes I think so .....with Wenger in charge? ....doubt that very much.

Anyway this particular debate is now redundant, coz he's not going anywhere until "he" decides to.

Good post
The reason I get so aggro with Letters is that his default position is:. Defend Wenger at all costs. There is always reason to be hopeful with him. We start each season with the means and tools to win all 4 comps we are in. By March we are usually out of all of them and still we keep saying, we can build on this. I do believe beating Chelsea is a major psychological hurdle for this team and especially for the manager, because in reality, Chelsea are not all that. Teams in the same league who do not suffer the same mental block as Wenger has against Mourinho, give Chelsea a harder game than we ever do. We could go there and lose 1-0 or 2-1, but I want to see a game between equals. Not one where we end up looking like talented mugs who have been duped by a lesser combatant. Same with United, we played them at home, were all over them and ended up looking like nitwits again. We beat them in the FA cup, they are on a run, so are we. If we meet it may be for 2nd place, so the pressure will be on again. We all know how well we usually cope with pressure, eg CL at home against Monaco. There is no point bigging up your competition, if you cant go toe to toe with them, then they really arent your competition. The FA cup is nice but is nothing really compared to the league or CL.

[Letters]

You serious?! I (and other posters) have given you multiple examples of similar runs.

None of them have been similar. This is the best run since The Invincibles.

[Letters]

You serious?! I (and other posters) have given you multiple examples of similar runs.

None of them have been similar. This is the best run since The Invincibles, and the best run anyone has put together this season. And comes at the end of a run of 17 wins out of 20. Again, we haven't done anything close to that since The Invincibles. Long unbeaten runs with quite a few draws in really don't compare...unless it suits your agenda.

[Niall_Quinn]

None of them have been similar. This is the best run since The Invincibles, and the best run anyone has put together this season. And comes at the end of a run of 17 wins out of 20. Again, we haven't done anything close to that since The Invincibles. Long unbeaten runs with quite a few draws in really don't compare...unless it suits your agenda.

We haven't had a squad as strong as this since the Invincibles. It's the players, not the manager. They win despite him.

[Niall_Quinn]

Unfortunately we've had one too many false dawns and some real disappointments. The only measure of success or progress left and acceptable to most fans, is delivering the title.

Thierry was asked that very question in the studio last weekend I think, "what constitutes a successful season for arsenal? would it be a successful season if arsenal finished in the top four and won the FA Cup?"

His answer: "no that would not be a success. success for arsenal should be winning the title, anything less is not good enough"

Sadly Wenget does not share that mentality, along with some fans. The FA Cup is nice and a good trophy to win, but there is no way anyone is going to convince me it's a major trophy. So could this team win the title, ....yes I think so .....with Wenger in charge? ....doubt that very much.

Anyway this particular debate is now redundant, coz he's not going anywhere until "he" decides to.

The real worry is he'll nominate his replacement, somebody like Alan Greenspan or Eddie George's corpse.

[Letters]

Do Man Utd still strike fear in your heart?.

They never have. But is is a tough place to go, they've only lost at home 3 times all season.
It's somewhere we've repeatedly failed and it was a cup quarter final.

It's exactly the sort of game we've repeatedy failed in before but some people on here seem to define a high pressure game as one we lose, and bend over backwards to dismiss results like this.

[Letters]

We haven't had a squad as strong as this since the Invincibles. It's the players, not the manager. They win despite him.

Then what were they playing at early season? And who buys and trains the players?
Wenger is responsible for results, good or bad.