West Ham away (PL) Match Reaction Thread

[Özim]

What's likely to happen is the divide in the fan base will deepen and we'll end up fighting each other more than we fight Wenger and the board. I bet we'll see a fightback from the Wenger crowd. They'll have a whole summer to come up with a bunch of new excuses and a renewed defence. This will piss off the Wenger out crowd so much it will all turn vicious. Already seeing it around the interweb. We've seen the media make up stories about fans physically fighting. They might not need to invent stuff next season.

Pretty much, the Wenger fans will have him here regardless and always point to other reasons for the problems we have, the last 10 years has seemingly taught them nothing about him.

I don't really understand how they can be so convinced he's the be all and end all when he's made so many glaring errors in the last decade, errors even the average fan wouldn't have made.

In reality there's very little pressure on Wenger to deliver success or to leave, if you look at the overall picture there's still very few protests, the feeling is more one of resignation at the fact there's nothing we can do, it is what it is, nothing is going to change, he'll leave when he wants to, the money men want to keep him here. It's almost like the club have convinced them there's no real option, much like a dictatorship.

[Niall_Quinn]

The ideal scenario is for him to leave at the end of the season. I still think he could do that with his head held fairly high. As much as a balls up as this season has been, he won us a couple of cups recently, he'd leave us with a good squad and money in the bank to add to it where needed. I just hope he doesn't stay till things get really ugly although I fear he will.

He could and he probably would. I'd applaud him if he walked now and let somebody else get on with it. And I'd give him due credit for what he's achieved here and that's how I'd prefer to remember him. It would be legitimate too because if somebody asked me to swap the incredible football I enjoyed in Wenger's early years for his exit in, say, 2011, I wouldn't. That period when we took football to such heights can never be forgotten.

But he's already said he's staying. He's heading into a potentially catastrophic new season in terms of support from the fans. If he changes his ways, gets active in the transfer market and switches his full attention to the pitch then he could rescue things and set up a departure on his own terms come 2017. But if he intends to stick stubbornly to his guns he's got one hell of a year coming up and for all the wrong reasons. And I guess we already know he'll stick to his guns. So here we go. It's not going to be pretty.

[Power n Glory]

What's likely to happen is the divide in the fan base will deepen and we'll end up fighting each other more than we fight Wenger and the board. I bet we'll see a fightback from the Wenger crowd. They'll have a whole summer to come up with a bunch of new excuses and a renewed defence. This will piss off the Wenger out crowd so much it will all turn vicious. Already seeing it around the interweb. We've seen the media make up stories about fans physically fighting. They might not need to invent stuff next season.

I can see that happening as well. I can’t agree with the majority of what Ty says on Arsenal Fan TV but what I saw this weekend after the match was a bit much. Guy looked like he was about to get jumped by Claude’s gang whilst doing an interview. A slight exaggeration but it’s not what I want to see.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

That Moh guy on AFTV makes me laugh, he was saying it's all about making inroads we've gained a point and if both teams lose on Sunday it's a point gained, it followed that both teams won on Sunday and we fell further behind.

Ty is funny too he just wants Wenger here regardless of what happens.

It actually annoyed me Claude shouting behind Ty's back, of course Ty is talking nonsense and of course he has no reason for Wenger to stay other than emotional but he's entitled to his view no matter how moronic.

I agree a lot with Moh about the money situation, but at the same time he seems to think the greedy, unambitious board seems to make Wenger not at fault. Whilst i think changing the manager will not bring about the change in the clubs' fortunes many think it will because i think it has to be both...Wenger, Kroenke and Usmanov all have to go.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I can see that happening as well. I can’t agree with the majority of what Ty says on Arsenal Fan TV but what I saw this weekend after the match was a bit much. Guy looked like he was about to get jumped by Claude’s gang whilst doing an interview. A slight exaggeration but it’s not what I want to see.

Totally agree....

[Marc Overmars]

The ideal scenario is for him to leave at the end of the season. I still think he could do that with his head held fairly high. As much as a balls up as this season has been, he won us a couple of cups recently, he'd leave us with a good squad and money in the bank to add to it where needed. I just hope he doesn't stay till things get really ugly although I fear he will.

That's the saddest thing. He's going to leave to under a huge cloud of discontent and it really shouldn't have been like this.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Well it needs to be ruled out completely that he will ever be sacked, that will simply never happen.

So whatever the feeling towards him when he does leave, it will still be spun like he's gone out on a high and will walk away from the Emirates for the last time to the tune of "My Way" by Frank Sinatra ringing in everyone's ears....there won't be a dry eye in the house.

[Özim]

It actually annoyed me Claude shouting behind Ty's back, of course Ty is talking nonsense and of course he has no reason for Wenger to stay other than emotional but he's entitled to his view no matter how moronic.

I agree a lot with Moh about the money situation, but at the same time he seems to think the greedy, unambitious board seems to make Wenger not at fault. Whilst i think changing the manager will not bring about the change in the clubs' fortunes many think it will because i think it has to be both...Wenger, Kroenke and Usmanov all have to go.

Ty can have his say, but it really doesn't make any sense, he see's the collapses time and time again and acknowledges them but then maintains Wenger is still the man to bring back success, he does also more often have an excuse for poor results.

Moh sometimes makes some valid points but I agree, he points the finger at the owner and absolves Wenger of any responsibility, that's despite finding holes in quite a number of AW's decisions, Kroenke isn't the one that picks the teams or tactics or selects the players to be signed.

[Özim]

That's the saddest thing. He's going to leave to under a huge cloud of discontent and it really shouldn't have been like this.

I don't feel sad for him, mainly because he's dimisses the fans opinions at the drop of a hat and shows no real loyalty to them and goes so far as to point the finger at them.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Ty can have his say, but it really doesn't make any sense, he see's the collapses time and time again and acknowledges them but then maintains Wenger is still the man to bring back success, he does also more often have an excuse for poor results.

Moh sometimes makes some valid points but I agree, he points the finger at the owner and absolves Wenger of any responsibility, that's despite finding holes in quite a number of AW's decisions, Kroenke isn't the one that picks the teams or tactics or selects the players to be signed.

What he says makes no sense of course he seems to have Stockholm Syndrome when it comes to Wenger, the broad consensus is that the guy is a muppet but Claude is an even bigger one. Ty doesn't interrupt him when he says his piece, and even though what Ty says is irrational nonsense it's Claude who clearly has the mental health issues.....it seems to be a grotesque circus act that he is invited to speak on AFTV....it really is like Howard Beale in Network.