It's hardly an 'excuse' to say it's very hard to compete with clubs who can pay your players 3 times as much as you can. It's obviously true. That said, we aren't doing all we can do to compete IMO and that's where Wenger has failed.
It's hardly an 'excuse' to say it's very hard to compete with clubs who can pay your players 3 times as much as you can. It's obviously true. That said, we aren't doing all we can do to compete IMO and that's where Wenger has failed.
Out of interest, what more do you think we could be doing?Originally Posted by Letters (TPFKA WWTL@WHL)
Sorry we all know he doesn't like Wenger and feels he needs to go, but I have 2 points here. Firstly he doesn't need to use every single thing to go over the same point again and again. Even when we win he finds negativity to say Wenger should be sacked blah blah blah. Now there are plenty of people here that feel the same but they don't mention it all the time and at least find some positivity.
Now my second point, how can anyone who truelly supports Arsenal want them to lose and want them to lose badly just so the manager goes. Thats disgusting, he would rather we lost then won a title or cup under Wenger just so he will go. How is that supporting the team?
It becomes an excuse when you keep talking about such things and we can’t manage to beat Birmingham in the Carling Cup final. A team that was relegated. I think the players can accept the fact that City, Chelsea and United can afford to pay big wages but they can’t accept the way we completely fall apart against teams we should be beating.
It becomes an excuse when you use it to explain away every single problem.
Well, for a start this summer it was pretty clear that Nasri and Fabregas were going to go. IMO we should have sorted that out in June, bought some replacements with the money and got them settled in. I realise that's easier said that done but while I think our transfer day dealings were pretty decent IMO we shouldn't have been scrambling round on that day.
I don't really expect us to compete with City now but the summer dealings have left us struggling to compete with teams like Spurs. That's where we've failed. That said, it's very early days and I do think this lot are capable of competing for top 4. It's not a gimme like it used to be though and with our resources we should be the most likely contenders for top 4 after the depressingly obvious top 3.
What Wenger says is obviously a reference to those that have not left, so it doesn't really matter whether you said other players or not (though you saying the 'amount' does suggest you mean more than just those that did actually leave). It's the article I was responding to - saying others wanted to leave (when he doesn't say that). And of course what happened in the summer would have affected them - Wenger admits they were wondering what is going on but that isn't to say those concerns are the same now and it isn't to say those concerns meant they wanted to leave aswell.
I don't know what you mean 'the players' can't accept us failing to beat Birmingham. It's THEM that failed!
People talk about motivation and so on but if you're a player in a cup final do you really need to be motivated by a manager in order to want to get out there and win? Really? I don't buy that, players in Cup Finals should want to win as a matter of course, they shouldn't need a "we will fight them on the beaches" style motivational speech in order to go out there and beat a team who, as you say, were relegated and who we beat twice in the league quite comfortably last season.
I guess we don't need Wenger if that's your logic and shouldn't take much credit for the silverware we've won over the years.
Well no, that doesn't make any sense. He bought and developed players and got them playing together in a team which was, at its peak, just about the best PL team I've ever seen. That peak is long since over of course but the players have to take some responsibility for their failings. Are you saying that players need special motivation in order to win a cup final? That they shouldn't just want to win anyway because it's a cup final?
I think we were struggling to get Citeh to pay for Nasri and that's what took the time, same with Cesc. Clichy, eboue and so on were all done in plenty of time as were the purchases of Jenko and Megamind. We clearly needed the funds from "Nasregash" to buy the further players we needed, it certainly wasn't ideal and seemed to take forever though. We also wasted an eternity negotiating the Campbell deal and getting rid of Bendtner. Wenger also seemed to be banking on getting Mata and then Chelsea spoiled that, if the press be believe we were also trying to get either kaka or Benzema on loan from Real or Lopez from France.
I do wonder if we have agreed to sign a big name at Xmas and were trying to manage a stop gap, to lose 20 players in one summer is plain silly and the fact our play hasn't changed since the also-rans have left says a lot about the way the team is managed IMO, are the likes of Vela and Denilson really that bad and are things that different without them?
I still wonder if we hadn't been hammered by Manyoo we would have bought the "last day 5"
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