I thought he didn't buy Martial because he didn't think Monaco would sell...is Arsene now our only scout? Wtf is that guy you know that Gazageeza done recently?Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
I thought he didn't buy Martial because he didn't think Monaco would sell...is Arsene now our only scout? Wtf is that guy you know that Gazageeza done recently?
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http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/foo...t-sign-Martial
He's full of it really. He bulked at the price tag at first and made out as if Man Utd made a panicked decision, pointing to the kids 11 goal record and tried to incorporate their buy with the lack of strikers story he's been touting. Now that it's not looking so much like a panic buy he's saying we've known about this 'exceptional' talent for a number of years but he's a winger-type and we have Ox and Campbell...he also said he didn't think they'd sell, but we weren't planning on buying him anyway so I don't know why he mentions that at all. If we did he'd have fucked it up anyway and have the guy on the right wing perfecting his runs and crossing to an empty box.
Stop. Only Sanchez would definitely get in their team.Sanchez = De Bruyne
Ox/Walcott > Navas
Kos > Mangala & Kompany together
Bellerin > Kolarov/Sagna
You can selectively chose players to show how we are better than them as well. The fact is that they probably outshine us slightly BUT we are nowhere near miles away from them. With a better manager, we'd be seriously challenging. All the tools are there.. unfortunately, a tool is managing the tools!
Wait, you guys are just gonna act like you didnt mock the Martial signing?
I recall only Niall Quinn and Mastermind giving that signing the time of day on here.
What do you expect. Is anyone a scout on here? Are we supposed to know better?
And I'm not advocating we spend £36m on an inexperienced player anyway. Wenger would fuck it up. The guys calling for a Martial signing are the same guys writing off Walcott and Ox now but if you'd go back to before we signed them they'd be singing their praises as raw exceptional players like they're doing now with Martial. You can add Vela and Campbell to that list as well.
You can't be filled with much confidence in Wenger developing this kid after watching what he's done over the past 10 years.
I'm not sure that the issue is whether or not the likes of Martial are expensive punts. The fact is that Van Gaal recognised that, perhaps in the absence of any available 'world class' forwards, what Manure needed was the psychological lift of a potentially exciting signing. Expensive or not, Martial and Depay - together with Manure's other signings over the summer were necessary to create the feeling of a confident, exciting club that does not balk at investing, taking risks. I think it is easy to underestimate the lift that this approach can give other players, and the club as a whole. We had it with Alexis last year (albeit that he was established rather than a rookie); and with Ozil the year before. Wenger's dithering and caution in the transfer market this time round has contributed to the sense of stagnation; lack of ideas and purpose around our club.
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You're right on all that and we needed a big signing for the psychological boost as well as the talent. But that's not really my issue. My issue is with Wenger and what he's come out and said about the Martial signing. He turned his nose up at it at first. Most of the footballing world did if we're being honest. Fan included. But he then tries to pull the know it all act as soon as Martial starts performing and his stance switches from mockery and players being overpriced to him having knowledge of this 'exceptional' talent and not knowing he was available for sale. It's bollocks. In that same interview he was saying he thought he was winger type and we had players like Ox and Campbell in his position anyway. That just goes to show he has judged the talent of this kid all wrong in the first place if he didn't recognise he's a striker.
Like many of the young players we've signed at that age, I can't imagine Wenger playing him straight away like Van Gaal has and he'd have probably featured in the odd League Cup game following in the same footsteps as Theo, Ox and Campbell. He'd have no impact on our season. I remember us waiting ages to see Ox and Theo get a game and when they finally did, they got sporadic appearances even after good debuts. Let's not forget Ox being hauled off against Utd and RVP looking at the subs bench in disbelief when he's subbed him. Overall, I just don't trust Wenger to develop young talent anymore. He didn't think the kid was worth the money, had no idea what he capable of and even if he had a clue, he'd have developed him into a mess of a player. Wenger can't develop kids.
Last edited by Power n Glory; 30-09-2015 at 10:06 PM.
I was pretty indifferent to Martial but I've said many times.....if you find a young player you think is the real deal.....go out and get him....even if you have to put you nuts on the line.
Martial could go either way, but Wenger was a little foolhardy in the ordering and timing of his comments though the content of what he was saying cannot be argued with too ardently.
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