Summer Transfer Speculation and Shit

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But if he wants to play in England and we don't want to sign him then what should he do?

I think it's very silly if we let him join Chelsea. Our midfielders are constantly injured and none of them are as good as Cesc - except Ramsey 2013/14.

I really don't know why we wouldn't sign him. The whole 'don't need him' argument is nonsense for the reasons explained above.

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I would just hate to see him play for anyone else but us.
However, it's more a failure of the club to not take up the clause and resign him.

He's not really a cunt, that was just me messin.

He'd just be a wanker instead.

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I don't say he won't fit, I only doubt that he would. I see Cesc and the new Ramsey as both players that would attempt to dominate all aspects of midfield play, I don't see the same kind of play from Wilshere, Arteta and Rosicky - I don't think that's how they play.

Wilshere doesn't have the ability to dominate the midfield at the moment but that's the sort of player he'd be if he fulfils his potential. Rosicky in his pomp was that player but we still managed to find a way to play him and Cesc. Arteta probably dreams of being that type of player.

So what about Cazorla in the middle with Ramsey or if Ozil finally gets his game together? Wouldn’t they present the same issue your suggesting? Ramsey is a good player but he’s no pass master and can’t dictate the flow of the game with his passing. We were trounced by the big teams and it’s partly down to sloppy possession in the midfield and then getting hit on the break. Even in the FA Cup final we struggled to get going and not a single player in the midfield could dominate the opposition. Ramsey is good but he’s not that influential in terms of our passing and possession. He’s great off the ball with defence and attack, has a huge engine, gets beyond defensive lines….I think he’d form a great partnership with Cesc. Cesc would be smart enough to load Ramsey with the supply he needs.

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Mancini may suck cock and you may not rate him as a manager, but the father-son relationship was a sentiment that there is evidence they both shared. Both were quoted on saying as much, so regardless what we think of it, there is truth in it.

That Mancini had many ego's to deal with or that Balotelli couldn't be tamed by his biological pop, his step pop, his footballing pop, girl pop or his ganja rolling pop is another issue entirely.

On a side issue... Are we really calling Cesc a cunt for not turning down every team we hate, which is half the prem and various teams across the globe though more passively. I suspect we just like to call people a cunt a little too much in this playground.

But yes of course I'll be sickened if it is true. Though I do think people are naive for thinking there were absolutely no circumstances in which Wenger would pass up signing Cesc should he become surplus to requirements. That is putting it mildly.

A father and son relationship doesn’t necessarily mean they’ll get on like the Brady Bunch. It may just mean, when they clash, it won’t be taken personally and things can get emotional. We’ll see if Wenger is willing to take the risk on Balotelli, but it might just be crazy enough to work. I’m not saying it isn’t a risk but Wenger may be the type of manager to deal with him. He’s got a good record when it comes to that and rarely has public bust ups with his players unlike Mancini and Mourinho.

Regarding Cesc, I hope he doesn’t move to another Prem club other than Arsenal but he’s not a ‘cunt’ if he does.

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Agree about the Wilshere / Rosicky comparison - I've always thought that was the kind of player that Wenger was trying to get out of him. Where I probably differ with Wenger's thinking though is that I've always regarded both players' best position as being deeper, rather than further forward? For me, they're both at their best when they're in the thick of it, and have the game in front of them, robbing the ball off opponents, starting attacks quickly while they're on the back foot, and the best bits of play I see from them is when they're robbing opponents and quickly turning defense into attack while they're unprepared - to paraphrase Wenger, they're accelerators of the play. Which isn't to say that both players aren't capable of playing further forward, because they can both do a very good gob there - I just don't think they're quite as calculated and relentless as someone like an Ozil (at his best) or a Fabregas in their ability to pull off through ball after through ball? Those guys I would class as midfield schemers, whereas Rosicky and Wilshere seem to be a little more all-action, and their creative play looks more instinctive and improvised rather than planned, if that makes sense?

On a related note, if we don't get around to sorting the defensive midfield out this sumemr, or can't get the player we really want in that area, how would people feel about maybe using Rosicky as an option in the Arteta role?

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Not sure how I feel about Cesc going to Chelsea? On the one hand it will be sickening to see him wearing that shit-bag kit of theirs, and working with some of the most despicable cunts in the game, but on the other, if he's effectively being kicked out by Barcelona, and we haven't made any efforts to sign him, then you can't really blame him for taking the best offer he can get? He's got to play somewhere...

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I didn't take the Cesc to Chelsea rumours seriously at first but the rumour is everywhere now.

I have got to say I am very surprised about the possibility of Cesc joining Chelsea and working for Mourinho. Doesn't come across as a Mourinho type player to me and I am not sure how they will fit him and Oscar into their team but who knows....

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I didn't take the Cesc to Chelsea rumours seriously at first but the rumour is everywhere now.

I have got to say I am very surprised about the possibility of Cesc joining Chelsea and working for Mourinho. Doesn't come across as a Mourinho type player to me and I am not sure how they will fit him and Oscar into their team but who knows....

Well a lot of Arsenal fans were seeing him playing in Arteta's role, so maybe Chelsea are thinking along the same lines?

If they're planning on playing him in behind the striker though, then it does seem a bit weird? Why go to all the hassle of getting rid of Mata just to bring in Fabregas in?

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Agree about the Wilshere / Rosicky comparison - I've always thought that was the kind of player that Wenger was trying to get out of him. Where I probably differ with Wenger's thinking though is that I've always regarded both players' best position as being deeper, rather than further forward? For me, they're both at their best when they're in the thick of it, and have the game in front of them, robbing the ball off opponents, starting attacks quickly while they're on the back foot, and the best bits of play I see from them is when they're robbing opponents and quickly turning defense into attack while they're unprepared - to paraphrase Wenger, they're accelerators of the play. Which isn't to say that both players aren't capable of playing further forward, because they can both do a very good gob there - I just don't think they're quite as calculated and relentless as someone like an Ozil (at his best) or a Fabregas in their ability to pull off through ball after through ball? Those guys I would class as midfield schemers, whereas Rosicky and Wilshere seem to be a little more all-action, and their creative play looks more instinctive and improvised rather than planned, if that makes sense?

On a related note, if we don't get around to sorting the defensive midfield out this sumemr, or can't get the player we really want in that area, how would people feel about maybe using Rosicky as an option in the Arteta role?

The way Wenger plays a three man midfield has always frustrated me. When we signed Rosicky, I thought we’d finally play 4-3-3 with both Cesc and Rosicky in the midfield. Instead we stuck with 4-4-2/4-5-1 and switched to a 4-3-3 much later. I preferred to see Rosicky in the middle but that never happened. That was disappointing because I think they’d have been a dangerous duo. But Rosicky was injured a lot and Wenger did find a role for Hleb in the middle behind the striker during the 4-5-1 days.

When we finally switched to 4-3-3, Wenger decided to push Cesc further up the field and trusted Song and trash bag Denilson to set things up behind him. I could never understand why we had garbage like Denilson playing when we had talent like Nasri, Arshavin and Rosicky. He stuck with Denilson for far too long and pushed Cesc further up when he should have been the deep laying playmaker. Nasri or Arshavin could have played the attacking midfield role of the trio with Cesc operating behind. I have no idea why that didn’t happen. When Wilshere got his chance in the team, it looked like we were close to correcting the balance but Cesc left and Wilshere went all shit.

I think we’re a bit top heavy at the moment with the core trio because we have players that are probably best suited to playing the attacking midfield role. Cazorla, Ozil, Ramsey even Wilshere all seem to look for space further up the field and drift too much. They leave Arteta exposed sometimes without a passing outlet so we’re forced to go to the wingbacks or back to Merts again. With the amount of open space we leave in the middle under the current set up, I think Cesc would naturally float to those vacant areas and giving us more of an outlet. That would make it easier to feed players further forward. I’m not sure where that leaves Wilshere but we can’t really worry about that.

Regarding Rosicky playing further back….I thought about it as well and it could work. He’s not soft in the tackle and has the intelligence to pick the correct passes. If Arteta can do it, Rosicky should be capable. I’ve seen him unleash some mean tackles and he’ll press an opponent hard when it’s needed.

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Wilshere doesn't have the ability to dominate the midfield at the moment but that's the sort of player he'd be if he fulfils his potential. Rosicky in his pomp was that player but we still managed to find a way to play him and Cesc. Arteta probably dreams of being that type of player.

So what about Cazorla in the middle with Ramsey or if Ozil finally gets his game together? Wouldn’t they present the same issue your suggesting? Ramsey is a good player but he’s no pass master and can’t dictate the flow of the game with his passing. We were trounced by the big teams and it’s partly down to sloppy possession in the midfield and then getting hit on the break. Even in the FA Cup final we struggled to get going and not a single player in the midfield could dominate the opposition. Ramsey is good but he’s not that influential in terms of our passing and possession. He’s great off the ball with defence and attack, has a huge engine, gets beyond defensive lines….I think he’d form a great partnership with Cesc. Cesc would be smart enough to load Ramsey with the supply he needs.

I suppose you could say it worked with Rosicky, in 2007, for half a season anyway.

Ramsey has definitely been influential in terms of passing and interchanging. I remember one particular example last season of exchanging passes with Ozil but it wasn't Ramsey that was the one finishing that move. You mention the Cup Final and it was his passing that created two opportunities whilst not being particular near goal (tor when Cazorla was fouled but no penalty given) and the chance that Giroud headed on to the bar.

Also thinking about the home game against Liverpool, it was Ramsey that dominated the game. Of course we didn't have him for the game at Anfield and perhaps that's the point, to have somebody else there when he isn't that could dominate the game in the same way I am suggesting Ramsey does but in terms of when they are they together I see this as a Lampard/Gerrard situation. That is great in principle but ultimately they end up dulling the influence of the other.

We have been losing big games heavily frequently for some time, whether that was with Cesc involved or not so maybe on that side of it, it comes down to how Wenger sets us up.

Personally I love seeing Cazorla dominate because it is so good to watch but I have to recognise it doesn't happen often enough from him to warrant him being more central right now. I have vaguely mentioned it elsewhere but it is Rakitic from Sevilla I would buy, probably only would I buy Cesc to stop other teams from having him. Even to our detriment maybe.

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I suppose you could say it worked with Rosicky, in 2007, for half a season anyway.

Ramsey has definitely been influential in terms of passing and interchanging. I remember one particular example last season of exchanging passes with Ozil but it wasn't Ramsey that was the one finishing that move. You mention the Cup Final and it was his passing that created two opportunities whilst not being particular near goal (tor when Cazorla was fouled but no penalty given) and the chance that Giroud headed on to the bar.

Also thinking about the home game against Liverpool, it was Ramsey that dominated the game. Of course we didn't have him for the game at Anfield and perhaps that's the point, to have somebody else there when he isn't that could dominate the game in the same way I am suggesting Ramsey does but in terms of when they are they together I see this as a Lampard/Gerrard situation. That is great in principle but ultimately they end up dulling the influence of the other.

We have been losing big games heavily frequently for some time, whether that was with Cesc involved or not so maybe on that side of it, it comes down to how Wenger sets us up.

Personally I love seeing Cazorla dominate because it is so good to watch but I have to recognise it doesn't happen often enough from him to warrant him being more central right now. I have vaguely mentioned it elsewhere but it is Rakitic from Sevilla I would buy, probably only would I buy Cesc to stop other teams from having him. Even to our detriment maybe.

Come on now, the sort of influence Ramsey has on our game compared to Cesc is miles wide. He doesn't conduct play in the same way Cesc does with pass after pass. They're different players. You only have to compare our possession stats since he's left and the lack of cohesion and fluency we now have.