Are the doubters wrong about Wenger?

[Power n Glory]

Totally agree, if he said one thing and did another it wouldn't bother me so much, it's the fact his words echo what happens on the pitch which grate me, everytime he comes out with his usual comments it's confirmation he's not really going to be doing much to fix the problems as he see's them a minor glitches which will largely fix themselves.

I don't know why people fail to see this.

They say it's the Wenger smokescreen. He gets off lightly. He really should be taken to school on the injury record. What happened to the investigation in 2010? The more you look into it, the more you wonder.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I think there is a difference between myself who thinks the club can only progress with a new manager at the helm and someone who actually has a pathological dislike for Wenger. I'm not going to comment on everything the man says and does, but I think Letters has a case that certain posters seem to look for anything as a tenuous excuse to put the boot in.
He hasn't won anything for nine years, his tactics don't work anymore, he is too stubborn to change....he should walk away. He's not Adolf Hitler, he's not the worst thing to happen to Arsenal football club, he's not the reason you broke up with your girlfriend, nor is he the reason you can't hold down a job or sustain an erection. It's like the Zealots who criticise this government, I despise George Osbourne and I think we could do better but people who say this government is the worst government we've ever had and Cameron is the worst prime minister we've ever had have very short memories.

[Power n Glory]

I don't think anything Wenger says or doesn't say to the press has any bearing or significance to his performance as manager. If I was in his situation I'd give them the same bland robotic sound bytes that he does, plus even if you acknowledge that big defeats are your fault I don't see there is anything to be gained by admitting this to the media as if they are some impartial confidant who won't use your own words against you.

But it’s not bland or robotic. He plays his hand when he talks about financial doping and that’s what he truly believes. He’s an idealist and speaks from the heart. Only when he’s really upset have I seen him resort to stinging sarcasm or he can get playful and witty when dodging awkward questions. When he says buying isn’t always the answer and that he has faith in his current crop of players, after 9 years, I don’t think he’s lying.

[fakeyank]

I doubt anyone on this site wants to discuss Mourinho but it was bought into this thread by someone else suggesting that our manager doesn't act like him - he does.
Like us he doesn't have quality forwards so he went into the modweek game against the current La Liga leaders with a game plan to win over 2 legs. I don't like the negativity either but its exactly what we did earlier this year at Dortmund & Napoli aswell as against Bayern when we needed to score goals - Mourinho wouldn't have been that negative.
Mourinho won the Champions league with Porto through tactical nous & NO cheque book along with stopping the Barca romp in Spain with their supposed unbeatable team by spending far less than his predecessors.

Mournho is a spoilt brat whom I would love to come across in a dark alley but he is a winner. He breeds that mentality. We have a manager who thinks 4th is wonderful & we should all be so grateful whilst showing his ambitious side by buying a 32 year old Swede with a bad back to save a crumbling season in Jan. Mourinho saw the same need & bought Matic back. Don't say because he had the money, this wasn't a Bale deal! - we should & could have paid that aswell.

That is a phenomenally awesome post. I despise Mourinho as a human being but that man is a tactical genius. People blaming him for playing boring football havent seen Arsenal play the last few years. We probably play one of the most boring form of football I can remember watching. I dont mind being bored if it was part of a tactical plan to something effective. It unfortunately is not... we have no plan B. Sometimes I wonder if we even have a Plan A!

[Özim]

But it’s not bland or robotic. He plays his hand when he talks about financial doping and that’s what he truly believes. He’s an idealist and speaks from the heart. Only when he’s really upset have I seen him resort to stinging sarcasm or he can get playful and witty when dodging awkward questions. When he says buying isn’t always the answer and that he has faith in his current crop of players, after 9 years, I don’t think he’s lying.

Yeah agree with this, the proofs in the pudding as they say and his words very much reflect what he does in these scenarios.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

When he says buying isn’t always the answer and that he has faith in his current crop of players, after 9 years, I don’t think he’s lying.

So you admit that's supposition rather than fact. Plus that's a very bland blanket statement, its a statement that doesn't offend anyone whose not looking to take offence.

[Özim]

I think there is a difference between myself who thinks the club can only progress with a new manager at the helm and someone who actually has a pathological dislike for Wenger. I'm not going to comment on everything the man says and does, but I think Letters has a case that certain posters seem to look for anything as a tenuous excuse to put the boot in.
He hasn't won anything for nine years, his tactics don't work anymore, he is too stubborn to change....he should walk away. He's not Adolf Hitler, he's not the worst thing to happen to Arsenal football club, he's not the reason you broke up with your girlfriend, nor is he the reason you can't hold down a job or sustain an erection. It's like the Zealots who criticise this government, I despise George Osbourne and I think we could do better but people who say this government is the worst government we've ever had and Cameron is the worst prime minister we've ever had have very short memories.

Pathological dislike?

That's not the case, maybe some of us aren't too keen on people who feed the fan lies whilst failing to deliver on the pitch time and time again and continuing to be in total denial about it.

I don't pathologically dislike him, I do however think his management ability based on what I've seen in the last 10 years is vastly overrated and I certainly don't appreciate his words regarding 4th place and his constant praise for a team that fails time and time again.

In reality he's had a pretty easy ride and despite 9 years with little success there are very few people questioning him other than some fans, many are still of the opinion that noone else can do the job he does and that he's a great manager, I'm not so sure.

[Power n Glory]

I think there is a difference between myself who thinks the club can only progress with a new manager at the helm and someone who actually has a pathological dislike for Wenger. I'm not going to comment on everything the man says and does, but I think Letters has a case that certain posters seem to look for anything as a tenuous excuse to put the boot in.
He hasn't won anything for nine years, his tactics don't work anymore, he is too stubborn to change....he should walk away. He's not Adolf Hitler, he's not the worst thing to happen to Arsenal football club, he's not the reason you broke up with your girlfriend, nor is he the reason you can't hold down a job or sustain an erection. It's like the Zealots who criticise this government, I despise George Osbourne and I think we could do better but people who say this government is the worst government we've ever had and Cameron is the worst prime minister we've ever had have very short memories.

Letter’s has a pathological dislike for Zimm and has gone about highlighting every negative post Zimm has written about Wenger. That to me seems personal and keeps getting whipped up. You’ve got to question that if we’re talking pathological dislike.

[Letters]

That’s the part Letter’s fails to understand.

I don't 'fail to understand' anything. Wenger doesn't wash his dirty linen in public. Maybe he should be a bit more honest sometimes but if I screw up I don't particularly want my manager bawling me out in public. The idea that we can see some of our player's failings and Wenger can't is laughable. He works with them every day, we only see them a couple of hours a week. Whether he's able to do anything about it is a different matter but if we finish 4th and win the Cup that will have been a decent season, hardly deserving of the vitriol which is still being thrown his way on here.

[Marc Overmars]

Sometimes I have a pathological dislike for GW.