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    Quote Originally Posted by Boss View Post
    I hope we're in for Samba/Cahill but we were linked with the same duo last year and signed absolute garbage instead. Wenger has to spend money, much more than he's been spending, but he also has to spend it wisely, something he's not been doing over the last few years. We spend 14M on garbage defenders who have no idea how to play in the English league and weaken our defense doing it, and then Wenger spouts nonsense like 12-15M for Samba/Cahill/whoever is too much. We start the season with Almunia/Fabianski/Chezza in goal because Wenger's too stubborn to spend 2M on a PL trusted GK, we start the season before that with Denilson/Diaby as two of our first teamers because Wenger's too stubborn to spend 2M more on a PL class midfielder (Alonso).

    What Wenger seems to fail to realise is that by constantly buying cheap, it ends up very expensive over the long run, constantly buying replacements (or screwing the team's performance because he doesn't) and the constant chopping and changing makes it hard to build a stable team. At this point last season we had spent almost as much as United on CBs since they bought Ferdinand, but we had far more partnerships in that time and a far less stable defense.

    A good player will pay for itself over the long run, and if it's what we need Wenger should be willing to push the boat out. Everyone's getting tired of us signing project players who either completely fail (costing us while they do) or take so long coming good that they're on the verge of looking for a new club by the time they reach a suitable level.
    that's called the "self-sustainable" model
    ‘Arsene was very cautious and David was very ambitious for the club,’ said former director Keith Edelman, managing director at the time. ‘He was very good at getting Arsene into a position where he was comfortable spending money.’

    The board have said if wenger identifies a player he really wants and he needs the money it's there. Wenger doesn't think it's worth it!

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    RE: Alvarez. I'll wait for Tim Vickery's evaluation tbf.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boss View Post
    Everyone's getting tired of us signing project players who either completely fail (costing us while they do) or take so long coming good that they're on the verge of looking for a new club by the time they reach a suitable level.
    The thing is that we can have 'project' players but what Wenger seems not to have done is combine them with a backbone of experienced players either bought in or kept in like Flamini, for instance, so you have keep a nucleus of experience along with the other talents you develop or buy in. That is, I think, where SAF succeeds. SAF is not afraid to buy in players for specific skills or functions and to bring up from the academy, but he always maintaines a stable nucleus. Players like Giggs, Scholes, Ferdinand are not just there for their football skills but also because they give the stability and example for the newer players.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coney View Post
    The thing is that we can have 'project' players but what Wenger seems not to have done is combine them with a backbone of experienced players either bought in or kept in like Flamini, for instance, so you have keep a nucleus of experience along with the other talents you develop or buy in. That is, I think, where SAF succeeds. SAF is not afraid to buy in players for specific skills or functions and to bring up from the academy, but he always maintaines a stable nucleus. Players like Giggs, Scholes, Ferdinand are not just there for their football skills but also because they give the stability and example for the newer players.
    And that is why Wengers Over 30 policy is ridiculous. It is one of the many reasons why we are where we are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ach View Post
    And that is why Wengers Over 30 policy is ridiculous. It is one of the many reasons why we are where we are.
    Agree, the over 30 policy is a classic case of Wenger putting pure dogma over pragmatic reality. Quite a few of the over 30s would have done a good job for us, but instead Wenger decided to sell them, in the process destroying a significant proportion of the squad that won us trophies and cups (not to mention the unbeaten season) in a short space of time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joker View Post
    Agree, the over 30 policy is a classic case of Wenger putting pure dogma over pragmatic reality. Quite a few of the over 30s would have done a good job for us, but instead Wenger decided to sell them, in the process destroying a significant proportion of the squad that won us trophies and cups (not to mention the unbeaten season) in a short space of time.
    it was a "financial necessity".

    or, if you like:

    they were "past their best" and could offer nothing that denilson and co. couldn't have.
    ‘Arsene was very cautious and David was very ambitious for the club,’ said former director Keith Edelman, managing director at the time. ‘He was very good at getting Arsene into a position where he was comfortable spending money.’

    The board have said if wenger identifies a player he really wants and he needs the money it's there. Wenger doesn't think it's worth it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaiser View Post
    Because Wenger has probably only watched this player on Youtube, right?

    He's probably had him watched for years now and seems to think he's worth the risk. I'm sure this Karl guy isn't particularly wrong but Wenger is probably a better judge of player (especially attacking players).
    I'm not suggesting that Alvarez has not been scouted beyond watching a bit of youtube. However, consideirng his injury history and minimal record at the top flight level in Argentina I cannot consider this anything but a very risky transfer. If this guy has 2-3 years of solid starting experience at the highest level in Argentina then fair enough. But it looks like he's barely played more than a season and could barely get a game before that. As I said, maybe there's a massive payoff and we've unearthed the next Kaka. We shall see.

    I applaud the fact that we're actually buying a player but this will hopefully be one of at least 5-6 and by no means the biggest pickup we make.

    As for replacing Rosicky, Rosicky doesn't need to be replaced. He provided nothing for the last 4-5 years. Get a £12 stuffed teddy bear and put him on the bench, it'll be like Rosicky never left. Spending £12m on a very risky transfer (injury history, not much of a record, has to adapt to new league, language and country) to replace a player who doesn't need replaced strikes me as a bit dodgy. Would rather see that £12m used to secure Samba and Cahill and pay Nasri.

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    Quote Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost... View Post
    RE: Alvarez. I'll wait for Tim Vickery's evaluation tbf.
    Q) There have been rumours on the internet that Arsenal have made a pre-contract agreement with Velez Sarsfield for their 23-year-old attacking midfielder Ricky Alvarez. If this is true, could he be a successful player for Arsenal, and what do you make of him?
    Yousef Teclab

    A) I like him. Lanky left footed midfielder with some class about him. No express pace for a wide role, but can tuck in and shoots well. He has had some injury problems, though.
    http://www.brazilian-football.com/ti...correspondent/

    The King Is Back.

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    Doesnt sound promising does it?

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    so have we actually signed him?

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