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    Quote Originally Posted by IBK View Post
    FWIW I didn't think it was a strong article, but it was an excuse to step back. I agree 100% with your point that frustration is driving our discontent (and its as much frustration at not understanding why our club is behaving as it does as much as anything else), but perspecive is still needed.
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    Fans have not lost perspective. Rather it is the club that has lost perspective on what its core reason for existence is: The relentless pursuit of trophies....to borrow a famous corporate slogan. In Kroenke ans Wenger we have the worst unholy combo of owner and manager. One who doesnt care about winning and the other who only wants to win on his own terms. We have the means to do so much better and are greatly underachieving, given the resources we essentially fritter away season in and out. fans are only after one thing and that is that their team do the absolute best they can each season and do not repeat constantly the mistakes of previous seasons. Not much to ask you would think given the increased cost of watching the same fare each year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Globalgunner View Post
    Fans have not lost perspective. Rather it is the club that has lost perspective on what its core reason for existence is: The relentless pursuit of trophies....to borrow a famous corporate slogan. In Kroenke ans Wenger we have the worst unholy combo of owner and manager. One who doesnt care about winning and the other who only wants to win on his own terms. We have the means to do so much better and are greatly underachieving, given the resources we essentially fritter away season in and out. fans are only after one thing and that is that their team do the absolute best they can each season and do not repeat constantly the mistakes of previous seasons. Not much to ask you would think given the increased cost of watching the same fare each year.
    Good post, but be careful how you make mention of "relentless pursuit of trophies", lest you be branded as a glory hunter.

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    I think it's the club who lack perspective to an extent as well. The way they go on about so many years of consistent CL football, you'd think that's all top players are after. It hasn't stopped our best players from walking out every year because they want to win trophies as well.

    The 2 things are not mutually exclusive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoringBoringArsenal View Post
    Good post, but be careful how you make mention of "relentless pursuit of trophies", lest you be branded as a glory hunter.
    The point GG makes about winning on his own terms is an excellent one.

    Your jibe about glory hunters is a very ignorant one. The whole purpose of professional sport is, or rather ought to be about doing everything you can in a fair and competitive environment to win trophies.

    That has nothing whatsoever to do with being a glory hunter as a fan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GB. View Post
    The point GG makes about winning on his own terms is an excellent one.

    Your jibe about glory hunters is a very ignorant one. The whole purpose of professional sport is, or rather ought to be about doing everything you can in a fair and competitive environment to win trophies.

    That has nothing whatsoever to do with being a glory hunter as a fan.
    I like that.

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    Yeah

    It's not the lack of success that people are frustrated with IMO, it's that we don't even seem to be trying for it anymore.

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    I think we are trying very hard to be successful, it is just that it is not the type of success that is or should be important to a fan.
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    The lack of trophies doesn’t bother Wenger from the looks of things. He’ll probably look back on his career and take pride in the fact that he built the foundations for the club and helped paved the way for great players like Henry, Vieira, Pires, RVP, Fabregas, Ashley Cole and coached greats like Bergkamp. PFA winners, Internationals and World Cup, Euro Winners. I think he’ll find solace in that as an achievement and his legacy. Even though he hasn’t won the Champs League and the highest honours, he’ll look back at the players he coached and take pride in that instead. It’s a bitch for us fans because our pride will come from the clubs progression and winning top honours not the individual players that used to play for us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GB. View Post
    The whole purpose of professional sport is, or rather ought to be about doing everything you can in a fair and competitive environment to win trophies.
    Unfortunately that doesn't exist in football. Arguably never has but it's got worse in the Premier League era.

    As for the article, it's not very good. I accept we can't compete with City, Utd or Chelsea. What I can't accept is not even trying to, fleecing the fans with silly ticket prices and relentless marketing and sitting back and watching the money roll in.

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