Wenger is the scapegoat for the Arsenal board.

[AKBapologist]

When Wenger finally goes, maybe we'll finally have a manger who could tell the owner to fuck off...

Huh, wait.

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[Kano]

All this sack Wenger or resign Wenger is not going to solve anything, they would just bring in another yes man stooge. The deep rooted problem is one parasite namely Stan Fucking Kroenke, he is the one person who has single handedly destroyed our club not Wenger. Wenger is merely the scapegoat and I actually feel sorry for Arsene because despite him knowing the truth, he has at all times acted with dignity and respect and has never shyed away from the media spotlight. Kroneke is building a vast fortune from our club, he is accountable for the misery we have endured for several seasons and more. He is an investor who is maximising his wealth from the club to increase his net worth. This **** doesnt give a single fuck about Arsenal, he hardly comes to the games and has always kept himself out of the limelight, letting others address the issues. Arsenal is just an unlimited money prinitng machine for this greedy ****. We have no other choice but to boycott the next home match with all 60K fans outside marching in protest chanting to the theme "FUCK OFF KRONEKE" "FUCK OFF KRONEKE" "FUCK OFF KRONEKE" "FUCK OFF KRONEKE" AND "SACK THE BOARD".

it was there from the beginning when he bought the shares from Granada TV for the internet rights, clearly looking to the future payoffs.

PHW was roundly applauded by many arsenal fans when the idea of kroenke buying into the club and possibly taking over was first mooted, only becoming the fall guy when usmanov chipped in. they all share the same ideals which even to a certain extent is fine, even if it meant the degrading of the teams standard as it has done. because what has really griped the fans is the fact the manager is no longer able to make the most of the materials at his disposal, which far from being billionaire material is still considerable enough to perform better than we have for a few seasons at least. most of us wouldn't be so concerned about the off field activities if we saw that at least the guys on the pitch gave a damn.

whether it is kroenke or usmanov we are now stuck in the billionaire owner playground for the foreseeable future. many of us agree that the current owners end game is maximise their own returns before selling it on and given the size of our assets alone, only the mega rich will be able to buy into us when we are sold. who is to say the next guys will see it any differently?

wenger has made a scapegoat of himself mainly because of his refusal to acknowledge the lack of duty his players have to the paying public and his own myopic approach. football is supposed to be an escape into a world of athletes living out the fantasies we could never achieve and from the sunday league to the prem the bare minimum satisfaction we'll get is from effort and commitment to giving your all. that hasn't been seen at our club for a while which has resulted in this horrible mess and even that basic turnaround on the pitch would shut a lot of us up.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

it was there from the beginning when he bought the shares from Granada TV for the internet rights, clearly looking to the future payoffs.

PHW was roundly applauded by many arsenal fans when the idea of kroenke buying into the club and possibly taking over was first mooted, only becoming the fall guy when usmanov chipped in. they all share the same ideals which even to a certain extent is fine, even if it meant the degrading of the teams standard as it has done. because what has really griped the fans is the fact the manager is no longer able to make the most of the materials at his disposal, which far from being billionaire material is still considerable enough to perform better than we have for a few seasons at least. most of us wouldn't be so concerned about the off field activities if we saw that at least the guys on the pitch gave a damn.

whether it is kroenke or usmanov we are now stuck in the billionaire owner playground for the foreseeable future. many of us agree that the current owners end game is maximise their own returns before selling it on and given the size of our assets alone, only the mega rich will be able to buy into us when we are sold. who is to say the next guys will see it any differently?

wenger has made a scapegoat of himself mainly because of his refusal to acknowledge the lack of duty his players have to the paying public and his own myopic approach. football is supposed to be an escape into a world of athletes living out the fantasies we could never achieve and from the sunday league to the prem we only gain satisfaction from effort and commitment to giving your all. that hasn't been seen at our club for a while which has resulted in this horrible mess and even that basic turnaround on the pitch would shut a lot of us up.

Right you are Tezza, right you are.

[-Xs-]

But if the board are not backing him financially and asking him to sell his best players each season, surely that's not down to Wenger, he is working with a shoestring budget compared to Chels and United and City. The problem is we have bought quantity rather than quality, yes that is bad management but the board have given Wenger a free role within the club as long as he finishes 4th and delivers champions league. He is being asked to sort the contracts out and that has been a major disaster, he has been offering high wages for average players yet he sells is best players. The board have let him loose and allowed him to create this problem, but they dont give a toss as long as the money keeps pouring in. What other board would allow thier manager that much control? They should have hired a director of football but they bottled it.

So what you are saying is, it's the boards fault that Wenger is incompetent? I don't buy that at all.

The training, the tactics, the motivation, the players - this is all completely down to Wenger and it is the area of most concern. The board are parasites, yes, but there is only little bit blame you can attribute to them for shit performances on the pitch. It's not the board playing Ramsey and Gervinho game after game.

[Niall_Quinn]

it was there from the beginning when he bought the shares from Granada TV for the internet rights, clearly looking to the future payoffs.

PHW was roundly applauded by many arsenal fans when the idea of kroenke buying into the club and possibly taking over was first mooted, only becoming the fall guy when usmanov chipped in. they all share the same ideals which even to a certain extent is fine, even if it meant the degrading of the teams standard as it has done. because what has really griped the fans is the fact the manager is no longer able to make the most of the materials at his disposal, which far from being billionaire material is still considerable enough to perform better than we have for a few seasons at least. most of us wouldn't be so concerned about the off field activities if we saw that at least the guys on the pitch gave a damn.

whether it is kroenke or usmanov we are now stuck in the billionaire owner playground for the foreseeable future. many of us agree that the current owners end game is maximise their own returns before selling it on and given the size of our assets alone, only the mega rich will be able to buy into us when we are sold. who is to say the next guys will see it any differently?

wenger has made a scapegoat of himself mainly because of his refusal to acknowledge the lack of duty his players have to the paying public and his own myopic approach. football is supposed to be an escape into a world of athletes living out the fantasies we could never achieve and from the sunday league to the prem the bare minimum satisfaction we'll get is from effort and commitment to giving your all. that hasn't been seen at our club for a while which has resulted in this horrible mess and even that basic turnaround on the pitch would shut a lot of us up.

A good appreciation of the multiple issues (problems) in play now. The big worry is the fans falling into a pretty obvious trap. If Wenger goes, for the reasons you outline rather than all the reasons being plucked out of thin air without supporting evidence, the fans who have called for his head will have to give the new guy some credit if he corrects the failings on the pitch but still can't land the success demanded. But I think it will be a case of rolling on to the next batch of complaints and targeting the new guy if success is not delivered quickly. And then the next guy and then the next.

It has taken the chavs a lot time to identify the true source of the cancer in their club. It will be the same for many fans at Arsenal the sound of it and I'm not talking about fans here on GW but more the idiots you see posting to the media sites with their incomprehensibly dumb take on what's going on at the club. I can see the board hiding behind the manager for a long time to come, regardless of who the manager is.

I see Pep is using us as a negotiating chip with the big, rich clubs one of which he's certain to end up at. There's no hope of him coming here, not a prayer. Not unless he's actively looking to see his gold plated reputation machine sanded by the bastards in our boardroom. Pep and Arsenal are possibly the most unlikely match ever. Shame Roy Hodgeson got the England job, a shame for Kroenke I mean because that's the calibre we'll see coming through the door to replace Wenger. Unless they drop the pretence and go straight for Tim Geithner.

When Wenger goes I think we'll rapidly transform into a very ordinary club. I don't mean in just the football sense, but the history and the tradition, the way of doing things. We should never have let a yank anywhere near our club. To follow that by handing it over to a Russian is unthinkable but the most likely outcome.

[AKBapologist]

So what you are saying is, it's the boards fault that Wenger is incompetent? I don't buy that at all.

It's the board/owners fault that someone who's * incompetent* is still managing the club. Why is this so difficult for some to understand?

[Marc Overmars]

We need a proper football man on the board, someone who won't be afraid to lean on the manager if needs be. That's where we've lost sight of what's needed to win and why this club celebrates mediocrity as it brings in a buck or 2.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

A good appreciation of the multiple issues (problems) in play now. The big worry is the fans falling into a pretty obvious trap. If Wenger goes, for the reasons you outline rather than all the reasons being plucked out of thin air without supporting evidence, the fans who have called for his head will have to give the new guy some credit if he corrects the failings on the pitch but still can't land the success demanded. But I think it will be a case of rolling on to the next batch of complaints and targeting the new guy if success is not delivered quickly. And then the next guy and then the next.

It has taken the chavs a lot time to identify the true source of the cancer in their club. It will be the same for many fans at Arsenal the sound of it and I'm not talking about fans here on GW but more the idiots you see posting to the media sites with their incomprehensibly dumb take on what's going on at the club. I can see the board hiding behind the manager for a long time to come, regardless of who the manager is.

I see Pep is using us as a negotiating chip with the big, rich clubs one of which he's certain to end up at. There's no hope of him coming here, not a prayer. Not unless he's actively looking to see his gold plated reputation machine sanded by the bastards in our boardroom. Pep and Arsenal are possibly the most unlikely match ever. Shame Roy Hodgeson got the England job, a shame for Kroenke I mean because that's the calibre we'll see coming through the door to replace Wenger. Unless they drop the pretence and go straight for Tim Geithner.

When Wenger goes I think we'll rapidly transform into a very ordinary club. I don't mean in just the football sense, but the history and the tradition, the way of doing things. We should never have let a yank anywhere near our club. To follow that by handing it over to a Russian is unthinkable but the most likely outcome.

[Mr. Lahey]

I dont't trust Wenger in the transfer market now - but I don't know how you can trot out the line about him having money to spend. Yes they came out with those words, but they were empty words - we had to sell to buy the money they spoke of was never there and the statements that are being made now support that. The statements now are all about money being available because of these great new front loaded commercial deals providing further indication that there was no money available.

Wenger's time is gone, but lets not rewrite history indicating there were bountiful resouces available to him - there were not, but he should have done better with what was available.

I dont trust him either - however I am not arguing about bountiful resources, he had ENOUGH resources to use regardless if it was generated through commercial deals now or through the sale of players previously...there has always been money to spend - I believe he chooses not to. Wengers vision lines up with the Boards targets - he doesnt believe that the solution is to buy, it is to develop, he has been hammering that into our heads from day one. Even if he was told that he could not spend, he has been making millions knowing how this, he is just as bad as the rest of them and in no way is he a scapegoat.

[Syn]

Another dupe account. Jesus, how many do you have now? 80?