Europa League Semi-Final Draw (13/04, some time).

[Niall_Quinn]

Innit. It's like this, but in reverse



The level of "debate" is pretty much...

Zim: I hate Wenger!
NQ: I hate Wenger more than you!
Zim: Do not!
NQ: Do too.
Letters: "I think Wenger should be sacked, but I don't th..."
NQ: "STOP SUCKING WENGER'S COCK!"
Zim: LETTERS AND WENGER SITTING IN A TREE...



Tiresome...

The weasel spots an audience and starts squeaking.

[Letters]

Excellent debating as always

[Niall_Quinn]

Excellent debating as always

Couldn't find a Newsthump article to spam.

[Xhaka Can’t]

Who cares if he leaves on a high, we've had years of frustration thanks to him and he's turned this club into some business that's only interested in money and puts results a firm 2nd.

As for him being average, based on his entire career with us it is average, 20+ years and look at his major achievements 3 league titles over 14 years ago, the FA Cups in his early spell fair enough, those were big prizes too, but later on not so much as the FA Cup is very much a 2nd tier trophy. His record in Europe makes for sorry reading as well, he's harped on about how he's qualified for x amount of years and yet not once managed to win it, despite at some stage having the best team in the competition, very poor show really.

You can't look at those early successes in isolation, you have to look at his whole tenure with us, on that basis he's average.

Thought about this.

He was above average when he arrived and overcame a number of challenges to make us into a team that was quite simply breathtaking. For a good reason.

Now the team just makes you want to breath your last breath rather than watch another 90 minutes of....well....I can’t describe it. I just know I want no part of it.

The game has passed him by and this coupled with him ditching just about all the qualities that mad him good have turned him into a manager that is waaaaaay below average.

[Niall_Quinn]

Thought about this.

He was above average when he arrived and overcame a number of challenges to make us into a team that was quite simply breathtaking. For a good reason.

Now the team just makes you want to breath your last breath rather than watch another 90 minutes of....well....I can’t describe it. I just know I want no part of it.

The game has passed him by and this coupled with him ditching just about all the qualities that mad him good have turned him into a manager that is waaaaaay below average.

I'd have forgiven him everything had he not made that incredibly selfish end-run around the board last season. That was unforgivable. And look at us now.

I'd easily, without a moment's thought, swap an EL win this year for him having left at the end of last season. Now the thought he might use such a win to stay even longer, it's the deal breaker - I'll probably be done with football if that happens. I'm almost done with it now, and Wenger is at least 75% responsible for that with the general shit state of the super hyped carnival being guilty for the remainder.

Wenger was there when football was the best I ever remembered, not because we were winning, but because we were winning with such spectacular style. The football was enthralling, invigorating, everything that used to make it worth watching this sport, and more. Unforgettable. He played his part.

All those years ago.

And I'm not going to forget what he's done since, to tarnish everything that went before.

Damn. This guy has made a hundred million quid at Arsenal. Why couldn't he just fuck off when the time was right? He'd be the legend of legends now. I thought he was supposed to be an intelligent guy.

[Mac76]

The question is, does Wenger already think he's done enough by getting to the EL semi-final?

everyone agrees Atletico is a CL-standard team so even if we lose, but only narrowly, then I'm betting he'll use that as an excuse

And if we get to the final, then definitely i think he will say that's good enough, having beaten a CL-standard team to get there.

i've said it before but i really remember his reaction when we beat Man City in the FAC SF last season - he jumped up thinking 'that's it I've done enough now, it won't matter if we lose to Chelsea in the final, i'll get a new contract'

[selassie]

The question is, does Wenger already think he's done enough by getting to the EL semi-final?

everyone agrees Atletico is a CL-standard team so even if we lose, but only narrowly, then I'm betting he'll use that as an excuse

And if we get to the final, then definitely i think he will say that's good enough, having beaten a CL-standard team to get there.

i've said it before but i really remember his reaction when we beat Man City in the FAC SF last season - he jumped up thinking 'that's it I've done enough now, it won't matter if we lose to Chelsea in the final, i'll get a new contract'

I think he does.

I also think he willl use the Atletico have been a consistent CL semi-finalist / finalist over the past few years as justification for us going out.

Then we will get the "I have been here 20 years, I have built the club up, I have built the new stadium, everybody should show me some respect" blah blah blah

He really is tiring, I really wish he would just go.

[Cripps]

I'd have forgiven him everything had he not made that incredibly selfish end-run around the board last season. That was unforgivable. And look at us now.

I'd easily, without a moment's thought, swap an EL win this year for him having left at the end of last season. Now the thought he might use such a win to stay even longer, it's the deal breaker - I'll probably be done with football if that happens. I'm almost done with it now, and Wenger is at least 75% responsible for that with the general shit state of the super hyped carnival being guilty for the remainder.

Wenger was there when football was the best I ever remembered, not because we were winning, but because we were winning with such spectacular style. The football was enthralling, invigorating, everything that used to make it worth watching this sport, and more. Unforgettable. He played his part.

All those years ago.

And I'm not going to forget what he's done since, to tarnish everything that went before.

Damn. This guy has made a hundred million quid at Arsenal. Why couldn't he just fuck off when the time was right? He'd be the legend of legends now. I thought he was supposed to be an intelligent guy.

I'd swap that first FA cup for him leaving that summer.

[Niall_Quinn]

I'd swap that first FA cup for him leaving that summer.

He's had opportunity after opportunity to leave with a bit of grace. He's clung on every time, each being worse than the last as he dragged us down the table and the quality of our football dived into the shitter. I don't know why anyone believes he'd leave if we won this EL. I don't know why they believe he'll willingly leave at the end of this contract. He's shown no indication whatsoever of wanting to pack it in or any acknowledgement he's doing a bad job. Even up until the last game he was sitting there blaming everyone else, everyone bar himself. And if the board couldn't get rid of him last time around, how are they going to do it this time if he secured CL football and the cash it guarantees? Yes, it's a euro trophy and all, but we're very, very fucked if we we win it. Atleti should take care of that prospect easily enough, but Wenger has a habit of finding ways to save his arse. And, as someone else asked, maybe he's going to argue he's already done enough by reaching the semis. His standards are rockbottom, it's not inconceivable to imagine he's sitting there congratulating himself for this season.

[Letters]

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/w...c9f11dd0245434

Saw this posted on FB.
“Black Box Thinking” is an excellent book by this dude.